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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9527737" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>This is not true.</p><p></p><p>The 10th and 11th line on page 97: <em> "When you reach fighter level 10, you learn an-other <strong><u>Wizard cantrip</u></strong> of your choice"ypi</em></p><p></p><p>IMO the term "Wizard cantrip" here on page 97 means the same thing when that term is again used on page 98 under War Magic: <em>"....you can replace one of your <strong><u>Wizard cantrip</u></strong>s ...."</em></p><p></p><p>IMO this means the same thing in both places, as you noted it does not "change meaning"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes and when it talks about learning a "Wizard cantrip" it is refering specifically to the spells being learned from the Eldritch Knight subclass. If your EK has multiclass levels in Wizard and Warlock and Sorcer you do not get to chose another "Wizard cantrip" for those classes when you gain 10th level in Eldritch Knight. You only choose it for Eldritch Knight. It only refers to cantrips for Eldritch KNight.</p><p></p><p>The fact that they used this term "Wizard cantrip" to me means this is what they are talking about every time they use the term - the spells you get from the Eldritch Knight feature</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if I have a Warlock 1, Wizard 1, Sorcer 1, Eldritch Knight 9 and I gain 10th level in Fighter I can get a cantrip in all 4 of those classes? Because that is what you are saying if it means the same thing in both places. Either the term "Wizard cantrip" is meant to mean the Cantrips from the EK feature or it is meant to mean all your cantrips from all classes that are on the Wizard list.</p><p></p><p>Of course this is not what it means! In my opinion it is clear it is referring to the same thing both times the phrase is used and in my opinion it means the same thing in both places..</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not in my opinion. It is referring to a spell you get through the EK feature specifically (which also happen to be on the Wizard list), but I don't believe it refers to all spells that are on the Wizard list for all classes you have.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not true, it includes the new spell you get when you pick up that feature. It does not include spells from other multiclasses and you can't get new spells from the "Wizard list" on those multiclasses when you gain a level in Eldritch Knight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I stated earlier RAW is unclear. In my opinion RAI is for them ONLY to work with spells gained through the Eldritch Knight subclass feature. In context I think that is the clear intent. You apparently disagree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You said it not me: It is written in a way as to assume you have no spells from another class. That it means it was not written with the INTENT to apply to other classes. Other classes were not considered, it was written with the INTENT to apply to a single class Eldritch Knight and I am talking about rules as intended here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe eventually we will see something in Sage advice, but my opinion on what the designers intended is well thought out and it is my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9527737, member: 7030563"] This is not true. The 10th and 11th line on page 97: [I] "When you reach fighter level 10, you learn an-other [B][U]Wizard cantrip[/U][/B] of your choice"ypi[/I] IMO the term "Wizard cantrip" here on page 97 means the same thing when that term is again used on page 98 under War Magic: [I]"....you can replace one of your [B][U]Wizard cantrip[/U][/B]s ...."[/I] IMO this means the same thing in both places, as you noted it does not "change meaning" Yes and when it talks about learning a "Wizard cantrip" it is refering specifically to the spells being learned from the Eldritch Knight subclass. If your EK has multiclass levels in Wizard and Warlock and Sorcer you do not get to chose another "Wizard cantrip" for those classes when you gain 10th level in Eldritch Knight. You only choose it for Eldritch Knight. It only refers to cantrips for Eldritch KNight. The fact that they used this term "Wizard cantrip" to me means this is what they are talking about every time they use the term - the spells you get from the Eldritch Knight feature So if I have a Warlock 1, Wizard 1, Sorcer 1, Eldritch Knight 9 and I gain 10th level in Fighter I can get a cantrip in all 4 of those classes? Because that is what you are saying if it means the same thing in both places. Either the term "Wizard cantrip" is meant to mean the Cantrips from the EK feature or it is meant to mean all your cantrips from all classes that are on the Wizard list. Of course this is not what it means! In my opinion it is clear it is referring to the same thing both times the phrase is used and in my opinion it means the same thing in both places.. It is not in my opinion. It is referring to a spell you get through the EK feature specifically (which also happen to be on the Wizard list), but I don't believe it refers to all spells that are on the Wizard list for all classes you have. That is not true, it includes the new spell you get when you pick up that feature. It does not include spells from other multiclasses and you can't get new spells from the "Wizard list" on those multiclasses when you gain a level in Eldritch Knight. As I stated earlier RAW is unclear. In my opinion RAI is for them ONLY to work with spells gained through the Eldritch Knight subclass feature. In context I think that is the clear intent. You apparently disagree. You said it not me: It is written in a way as to assume you have no spells from another class. That it means it was not written with the INTENT to apply to other classes. Other classes were not considered, it was written with the INTENT to apply to a single class Eldritch Knight and I am talking about rules as intended here. Maybe eventually we will see something in Sage advice, but my opinion on what the designers intended is well thought out and it is my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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