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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9528156" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You can't think of any reason why, in a massive book that was pushing the size limits they had, they might have used "wizard cantrip" instead of "a cantrip from the wizard spell list"? The only explanation you can think of, is that they must have had some obscure meaning in mind that meant something different?What cantrips do you get from the Eldritch Knight subclass? Can I get Sorcerous Burst from the subclass? No? I can only get Wizard Cantrips? But Wizard cantrip means "cantrip I get cfrom the eldritch knight subclass" according to you, so you are know saying that I get cantrips from the eldritch knight sublcass defined as the cantrips I get from the Eldritch Knight subclass which are the cantrips I get from the eldritch knight subclass.... which doesn't tell me where I get those cantrips from! So, at some point in time, wizard cantrip has to mean wizard cantrip.But that is nonsense with your reading. Because with your reading Wizard Cantrip means cantrip selected by an Eldritch knight. So when it says to select a wizard cantrip it is telling you to select a cantrip you chose as an eldritch knight, which you haven't selected yet!  Again, this is nonsensical. The only way your post here makes sense is if you think it is somehow possible to cast a cantrip you don't know. Otherwise, yes, they do mean any cantrip from the wizard spell list, because that's what a wizard cantrip definitionally is.Those all say Wizard Cantrip, referring to picking a cantrip from the wizard spell list. There is no such thing as a High Elf Cantrip or a MAgic Initiate Cantrip, because those terms don't make any sense.Is there a list labeled "Eldritch Knight Spells"? Please give me the page number if there are. Otherwise, the spells an Eldrtich knight learns are wizard spells, from the wizard spell list, which are defined as wizard spells. Because they are from the wizard spell list.You can't have "wizard cantrip" mean "cantrip gained through the Eldrtich Knight subclass" then insist that definition stays in the section of learning cantrips, because then you are picking a cantrip gained to gain a cantrip, which is one you already have because you can't pick from the list that isn't the list you already picked.No, your position is not consistent. You want to redefine Wizard Cantrip in every single instance outside of the Wizard.</blockquote>

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