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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9528207" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yeah I think that is why they used "Wizard Cantrip" - to refer to the cantrips you get from the Eldritch Knight feature without using more wording.Get whatever you want at your table, but the PHB is clear on this and I don't feel I need to repeat it dozens of times. Read page 97 and 98 it is all there what cantrips you can choose.Yes exactly.  It is spelled out very clearly and in fewer and less redundant wording than you are using.The PHB does tell you where to get them from - the Wizard spell list.It is clear what it is intended to mean and I really think these are a bunch of strawman arguments you are throwing up one after another.Yes exactly it means a Cantrip selected through your Eldritch Knight subclass.  You have not chosen it before you select it.  After you select it then you have chosen it and at that point it is one of the Cantrips from your Eldritch Knight subclass and a "Wizard cantrip" under the intendedBefore you select it you have not selected it.  Before I level up I have not leveled up.  One I level up then I have leveled up.Actually it makes perfect sense, your repeated refusal to read the PHB and continued argument is nonsensical.That is not the intended meaning in the Eldritch Knight subclass WRT to how it is used on page 97 and 98.No they don't . Niether the description of Magic Initiate, nor the description of High Elf use the term "Wizard Cantrip" at all as far as I know.Before we go further, please provide a page where the Magic initiate feat says "Wizard Cantrip" or where the High Elf description says "Wizard Cantrip". IF you won't provide a page number then please admit you were mistaken and it is untrue that "Those all say Wizard Cantrip"I don't know.  Maybe it is in the same place as the part of the book that refers to the Cantrip you get from Magic Initiate as a "Wizard cantrip"!I never said the term "Eldridge Knight spell" is in the PHB.  Page 96-98 describe the Eldritch Knight subclass, including the procedures for them to get spells.Yes they are Wizard spells, from the Wizard spell list which are defined as Wizard spells and that term "Wizard spells" as used on pages 98 is intended to refer ONLY to those specific spells selected as part of the Eldritch Knight subclass feature and not to any other spells that are on the Wizard list.This is crystal clear.Sure I can.  I have said it many timesalready.  I will type it here again:Wizard cantrip in context on page 97 and 98 is intended to refer specifically to the spells gained through the Eldritch Knight subclass feature.See I can say it lots of times .... and not only can I say it, I am right about it too!At least I am not saying that there is verbiage in the PHB that is not there.  It is one thing to disagree over what something means.  It is quite another to say specific verbiage is written in the PHB when it is not and then to refuse to even retract the statement.</blockquote>

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