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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9530122" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I think my initial point is getting blurred by all this. That &quot;wizard spell&quot; in Improved War Magic means &quot;An Eldritch Knight spell learned by this subclass from the Wizard Spell list&quot; and that you must specifically track only those spells you've learned as an Eldritch Knight to use with this ability... seems overly fiddly to me. It literally twists on a single word being interpreted in a single way. Sure, if you decide to build a Wizard Cleric, you track your spells separately. But you don't necessarily bother to track them for a High Elf Wizard with Magic Initiate (Intelligence based) and Fey Touched (intelligence based) because every single one of those spells can use your spell slots and use your intelligence mod and Intelligence saving throw. So saying that you are required to track these things and that makes it not fiddly to have &quot;wizard spell&quot; mean &quot;High elf spell&quot;, &quot;Magic Initiate spell&quot;, &quot;Fey Touched spell&quot; and &quot;spell gained by the wizard class&quot; seems overly complicated. And if all your choices ended up coming from the wizard spell list, you can't even really argue that missing them is going to break something. Which is why I think it doesn't make sense to read the War Magic and Improved War Magic as only working with the few spells you get from the subclass itself. It makes far more sense to read it as broadly as possible, which is it works with all spells and cantrips from the wizard spell list. Because that's the least complicated way to run it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9530122, member: 6801228"] I think my initial point is getting blurred by all this. That "wizard spell" in Improved War Magic means "An Eldritch Knight spell learned by this subclass from the Wizard Spell list" and that you must specifically track only those spells you've learned as an Eldritch Knight to use with this ability... seems overly fiddly to me. It literally twists on a single word being interpreted in a single way. Sure, if you decide to build a Wizard Cleric, you track your spells separately. But you don't necessarily bother to track them for a High Elf Wizard with Magic Initiate (Intelligence based) and Fey Touched (intelligence based) because every single one of those spells can use your spell slots and use your intelligence mod and Intelligence saving throw. So saying that you are required to track these things and that makes it not fiddly to have "wizard spell" mean "High elf spell", "Magic Initiate spell", "Fey Touched spell" and "spell gained by the wizard class" seems overly complicated. And if all your choices ended up coming from the wizard spell list, you can't even really argue that missing them is going to break something. Which is why I think it doesn't make sense to read the War Magic and Improved War Magic as only working with the few spells you get from the subclass itself. It makes far more sense to read it as broadly as possible, which is it works with all spells and cantrips from the wizard spell list. Because that's the least complicated way to run it. [/QUOTE]

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