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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9530238" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Apparantly not as rare as the "90%" of PC that don't do it this way since you have yet to provide ONE example of a PC currently being played.Your made up Cleric-Wizard-Eldritch Knight hypothetical example was the "strawman", not my actual real PC.But your claim is 90% players don't play this way.  Well the 2024 rules have only even been around for 3 months.So let me ask you this:  You refuse to post an example 2024 character, but how many have you actually seen played at all by anoyone that conform to your allegation?Have you even seen a singe ONE?  I am not just talking at a table you are on, what about a you tube game, or a televised game?You claim 90% are played a certain way, how many times have you witnessed this?  If you are not using 2014 examples to butress that, then I think you probably have not seen a single one played this way.TBH I think the ONE example I provided exceeds ALL of the 2024 multiclassed casters you have seen played COMBINED.No I want you to provide examples of real PCs being played.Ok then admit you were making crap up when you said "90% are ...." I want you to admit that you have no experience with this, and no basis to actually make a judgement, especially with the 2024 rules, and that you defer to my extensive experience in this regard.That is what I would like you to say if you have never really seen this in play at your table, because it would be the truth.No, I just think it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about and making things up and the inability to provide a single example of a PC being played to buttress your claim certainly supports this hypothesis  .... as does your own statement that neither you or the tables you play on use multiclassed PCs.My point is the type of character I am talking about is actually played and if you don;t know how people build multiclassed caster PCs then you don't know how PCs build multiclass caster PCs, but that is fundamentally different than claiming "90%" are built this way when in fact you don't know of a single one that is built that way.Ok then just admit you have no idea how most players play multiclass characters, you were just making things up earlier and kindly bow out of this discussion.Ironically you and I personally agree on Constitution proficiency, but that is a minority opinion and the majority of players who play multiclassed casters do want Constitution proficiency, and I have seen enough  multiclasses by other players, to include many in 2024, to be confident in that even though I disagree with it from a personal play style on my PCs.I do have some complex builds.  I never said they were optimal.   The character I linked above is complex, but is certainly NOT optimal.Also they are not just in my mind, they are actually played.   When I post about a specific build here it is almost always a build I played or am currently playing.  In some cases it is one someone else has played that I witnessed.  I think this is the main difference on where I am coming from and where you are coming from.  These things are not just builds in my mind.Regardless though we were talking specifically about multiclassed "complex" caster builds regarding your 90% statistic.  Further, this entire thread, which was started by me, is about "complex" multiclassed Eldritch Knight builds.  That is the basis for the thread.  If your position is based entirely on single classed builds, it is irrelevant to the discussion.Finally, I don't think you have enough experience with the 2024 rules to say what most people do or play in general.  I am not convinced I know either, but I am convinced based on experience, that your "90%" claim about multiclassed characters is completely bogus.</blockquote>

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