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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9534511" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And your Barbarian could wield a shard of glass as their primary combat weapon for twenty levels. You presented you example of why someone would take the same spell twice as using a feat to get a free casting of a spell they received from a subclass list. My point is that the only reason they are getting that spell twice is 1) Because you cannot retrain a subclass spell list, 2) they decided it was worth it to get the Free casting and the ability to cast it for a single sorcerer point on that specific spell. But even in that situation, you are taking the spell as a charisma spell, because of course you are. There is no reason not to. And yes, sometimes technically as a multi-class character you can get different spells with different spell casting abilities and DCs. But you would pretty much never be a Cleric/Wizard and take Toll of the Dead with a DC 12 and Toll of the Dead with a DC 14... because there is no value in doing so. You are literally taking a spell option you have, and choosing a literally worse version of the exact same thing. I'm not saying that you cannot do that. You can. Just like the Barbarian could use a shard of glass, or a beer mug as their primary weapon from levels 1 to 20. The rules allow it, but the rules allow it because no one ever thought they needed to disallow it. Not because the designers found some value in allowing it.</blockquote>