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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barouqeworks" data-source="post: 9672428" data-attributes="member: 7047632">For a frontliner, i understand the need for ac but you dont need strength when you have dex and half plate + shield spell if you have warcaster added ontop of a shield.i think youre good on ac with that, tbhwrathful smite doesnt work with ranged attacks. a dm would probably rule that a thrown weapon doesnt count as attacking with a melee weaponso this fails aside from i dont see how this requires being first on init you can give up one instance of using wrathful smite (you have limited spell slots anyway) or using Pam to just set up shillelagh. it is only 1 turn in exchange to having 1 minute of a magical force dealing weapon that can deal up to 2d6+int mod. after that you can use the bonus Pam attack or wrathful smite as long as you want. this isnt even an issue.This is massively incorrect, dpr wise, at level 11 with the same assumption that you made (16 str 20 int) using a minimum of rolling an 8 on the die to hit, a rapier with dex comes out with 28.85 for the first round and then 29.64 WITH vex providing adv and using true strike.as for someone doing the same with shillelagh attacks and true strike, the dpr is 28.30 for the first round and 33.30 after that when you add pam bonus action attack after the first round.so shillelagh beats vex rapier dpr wise, not accounting for topple weapon mastery.</blockquote>