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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9674235" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I agree on all that, the main point I was making is that below level 11 there will be minimal if any increase in damage through Shilleleagh.&nbsp; While it may come out a couple points ahead on paper the necessary use of your bonus action to start combat will eliminate that small advantage in play by eliminating use of Tactical Shift the first round and because Vex is mathematically stronger than topple in terms of DPR (because there is no save and it can go one round to the next, even if it doesn't always).TBH that is theory crafting max damage.&nbsp; In play I actually don't build or plan for that, the thing about EK is it is so versatile.&nbsp;&nbsp; Use whatever magic weapon you find - longsword, Rapier, Greatsword etc and then build around that &quot;best weapon currently available&quot; and change your fighting style as you find newer or better weapons.&nbsp; Tactical Master and Eldritch Strike also make for a great platform for using Wrathful Smite (and/or dissonant whispers) regardless of what weapon you are using and Truestrike makes it so you don't really have to prioritize Strength.&nbsp; The only levels you are really behind are 5-6.&nbsp; Other levels you are losing small amounts of damage, but not a lot of damage while pushing Intelligence through the casting feats (Warcaster, Shadow Touched, Fey Touched).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9674235, member: 7030563"] I agree on all that, the main point I was making is that below level 11 there will be minimal if any increase in damage through Shilleleagh. While it may come out a couple points ahead on paper the necessary use of your bonus action to start combat will eliminate that small advantage in play by eliminating use of Tactical Shift the first round and because Vex is mathematically stronger than topple in terms of DPR (because there is no save and it can go one round to the next, even if it doesn't always). TBH that is theory crafting max damage. In play I actually don't build or plan for that, the thing about EK is it is so versatile. Use whatever magic weapon you find - longsword, Rapier, Greatsword etc and then build around that "best weapon currently available" and change your fighting style as you find newer or better weapons. Tactical Master and Eldritch Strike also make for a great platform for using Wrathful Smite (and/or dissonant whispers) regardless of what weapon you are using and Truestrike makes it so you don't really have to prioritize Strength. The only levels you are really behind are 5-6. Other levels you are losing small amounts of damage, but not a lot of damage while pushing Intelligence through the casting feats (Warcaster, Shadow Touched, Fey Touched). [/QUOTE]

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