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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9674564" data-attributes="member: 6795602">IMO.&nbsp; If one takes True Strike, Shillelagh, and Polearm Master on an EK by level 7 then I think that version of EK can do very good damage.&nbsp; At that point just let your first spell be a control spell along with Shillelagh and forget wrathful.&nbsp; Then follow up with PAM attack routine the rest of the battle.Not clear to me if Shillelagh should overwrite the d4 on the polearm master attack.&nbsp; I'll assume not for now.&nbsp; That comes out something like (assuming 60% base chance to hit):Attack Actionattack 1:&nbsp; d10+4(mod)+2(dueling)bonus action attack:&nbsp; d4+4(mod)+2(dueling)attack 2:&nbsp; d10+4(mod)+2(dueling)+3.5(true strike)Your true strike attack will have a good chance of having advantage due to 2x topple attempts.&nbsp; ~59%Your bonus action will have a worse chance of advantage at 36%Altogether (with crits) it's 25 DPR on any turn you full attack + bonus action attack.&nbsp; You can also get a reaction attack.&nbsp; Your essentially down a turn but you do alot more damage when it comes up.&nbsp; Given the round reduction from not attacking round 1 the DPR comes out to 16.7 on a 3 round encounter and 18.6 on a 4 round encounter.To put this in perspective, The rapier, vex, dueling and truestrike EK at level 7 was 17.6 DPR (assuming 2 rounds of attacking the same enemy before switching targets).I think I'm more impressed with this version than your Wrathful Smite version.&nbsp; Especially since it better pairs with spells like Web or Tasha's (better control than Wrathful Smite provides, and better chance to land on that all important round 1, since they don't depend on any attack hitting to be able to use them).I do hate being tied down to such a restrictive weapon list.&nbsp; I agree that's a downside.IMO, tactical master on turn 1 is mostly overrated if your turn 1 is mostly going to be control spell and don't get adjacent (wanting to trigger the PAM reaction attack).There's also a good chance that some encounter you can have shillelagh precast.&nbsp; So turn 1 that may not interfere anyways.&nbsp; And then some encounters you won't need to start with a control spell (this version of EK has much better damage in that situation).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9674564, member: 6795602"] IMO. If one takes True Strike, Shillelagh, and Polearm Master on an EK by level 7 then I think that version of EK can do very good damage. At that point just let your first spell be a control spell along with Shillelagh and forget wrathful. Then follow up with PAM attack routine the rest of the battle. Not clear to me if Shillelagh should overwrite the d4 on the polearm master attack. I'll assume not for now. That comes out something like (assuming 60% base chance to hit): Attack Action attack 1: d10+4(mod)+2(dueling) bonus action attack: d4+4(mod)+2(dueling) attack 2: d10+4(mod)+2(dueling)+3.5(true strike) Your true strike attack will have a good chance of having advantage due to 2x topple attempts. ~59% Your bonus action will have a worse chance of advantage at 36% Altogether (with crits) it's 25 DPR on any turn you full attack + bonus action attack. You can also get a reaction attack. Your essentially down a turn but you do alot more damage when it comes up. Given the round reduction from not attacking round 1 the DPR comes out to 16.7 on a 3 round encounter and 18.6 on a 4 round encounter. To put this in perspective, The rapier, vex, dueling and truestrike EK at level 7 was 17.6 DPR (assuming 2 rounds of attacking the same enemy before switching targets). I think I'm more impressed with this version than your Wrathful Smite version. Especially since it better pairs with spells like Web or Tasha's (better control than Wrathful Smite provides, and better chance to land on that all important round 1, since they don't depend on any attack hitting to be able to use them). I do hate being tied down to such a restrictive weapon list. I agree that's a downside. IMO, tactical master on turn 1 is mostly overrated if your turn 1 is mostly going to be control spell and don't get adjacent (wanting to trigger the PAM reaction attack). There's also a good chance that some encounter you can have shillelagh precast. So turn 1 that may not interfere anyways. And then some encounters you won't need to start with a control spell (this version of EK has much better damage in that situation). [/QUOTE]

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