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<blockquote data-quote="Ancoulainn" data-source="post: 9869088" data-attributes="member: 7056539"><p>You are correct that the target has to be willing. But that the target of the Suggestion spell would not count as willing is an interpretation if the suggestion is "Surrender and willingly give into all spells I cast on you". Suggestion just requires that the objective is achievable. It is true that the Suggestion spell does not say that the creature would be "willing" and there is definitely room for your interpretation and, quite honestly, I would suggest going that route. But RAW, the objective to willingly give into a spell is achievable which is the only limitation Suggestion places.</p><p></p><p>However, that only affects the "Planar-Binding"-exploit with Dragons and creatures as such. I don't need to use Nystul's to use Planar Binding on Celestials, Elementals, Fey, or Fiends and there are plenty of spells to summon those. So, instead of a band of pet dragons, I get myself a band of pet Barlgura that I summon with Summon Greater Demon as early as level 9. All I need is a little more than one hour of time, a 3rd level, a 4th level, and a 5th level spell slot with the opportunity to upcast both Summon Greater Demon and Planar Binding at later levels. And this is not only RAW but also RAI because Planar Binding says "Typically, the creature is first summoned into the center of the inverted version of the Magic Circle spell to trap it while this spell is cast."</p><p></p><p>The Magic Jar-Duergar Despot exploit also works out of the box because it just requires the target to be humanoid. You just need to find a Duergar Despot if you can't use Nystul's and Polymorph for this. Similarly, Infinite Magen just requires the material component which the DM can make rare if the Necromancer wants to go that route, but then there's Wish. The Simulacrum-Wish-loop requires intervention because there is no indication in the text that the Simulacrum cannot cast Wish. It just says that the Simulacrum cannot cast Simulacrum and as long as Simulacrums can cast Wish, material components are no problem.</p><p></p><p>And quite honestly, the hubris of all people who argue based on RAI without ever having talked to Jeremy Crawford & Co or heard them say as much, especially when using the word "obvious", make my eyes roll. Without hearing as much from the creators, nobody knows what is intended and it's all just conjecture. All we can objectively do is judge by RAW with the necessary reading comprehension. And it's not a respectable argument either because arguing based on RAI is just a cop-out. It's your table and your the DM because if not, it's neither your circus nor your monkeys. But if it is, you can change and alter the rules however you want, ban spells, change spells, change spell interactions, or whatever else you feel like. You just need to take responsibility for that decision and communicate with the players accordingly rather than saying "obviously unintended". Just say from the start that Nystul's Magic Aura is changed and has the range "self" instead of "touch". Rule that Create Magen can only be cast a certain number of times and base it on the Intelligence modifier or Proficiency bonus or whatever other number you prefer, potentially once if you like or ban the spell entirely. Determine that Simulacrums cannot cast Wish. There's no need to argue with RAI; just say what the rules are. Seriously, whenever I hear RAI or "obviously un/intended", I immediately lose respect and leave the table because if the DM can't even pull up his pants, establish his rules, and say "I rule that xyz", I'm in the wrong room. Fortunately, I haven't met an experienced DM yet who has that issue and it's only the younger or newer ones, especially the ones who want to be like Matt Mercer and become professionals and/or streamers, who say something like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancoulainn, post: 9869088, member: 7056539"] You are correct that the target has to be willing. But that the target of the Suggestion spell would not count as willing is an interpretation if the suggestion is "Surrender and willingly give into all spells I cast on you". Suggestion just requires that the objective is achievable. It is true that the Suggestion spell does not say that the creature would be "willing" and there is definitely room for your interpretation and, quite honestly, I would suggest going that route. But RAW, the objective to willingly give into a spell is achievable which is the only limitation Suggestion places. However, that only affects the "Planar-Binding"-exploit with Dragons and creatures as such. I don't need to use Nystul's to use Planar Binding on Celestials, Elementals, Fey, or Fiends and there are plenty of spells to summon those. So, instead of a band of pet dragons, I get myself a band of pet Barlgura that I summon with Summon Greater Demon as early as level 9. All I need is a little more than one hour of time, a 3rd level, a 4th level, and a 5th level spell slot with the opportunity to upcast both Summon Greater Demon and Planar Binding at later levels. And this is not only RAW but also RAI because Planar Binding says "Typically, the creature is first summoned into the center of the inverted version of the Magic Circle spell to trap it while this spell is cast." The Magic Jar-Duergar Despot exploit also works out of the box because it just requires the target to be humanoid. You just need to find a Duergar Despot if you can't use Nystul's and Polymorph for this. Similarly, Infinite Magen just requires the material component which the DM can make rare if the Necromancer wants to go that route, but then there's Wish. The Simulacrum-Wish-loop requires intervention because there is no indication in the text that the Simulacrum cannot cast Wish. It just says that the Simulacrum cannot cast Simulacrum and as long as Simulacrums can cast Wish, material components are no problem. And quite honestly, the hubris of all people who argue based on RAI without ever having talked to Jeremy Crawford & Co or heard them say as much, especially when using the word "obvious", make my eyes roll. Without hearing as much from the creators, nobody knows what is intended and it's all just conjecture. All we can objectively do is judge by RAW with the necessary reading comprehension. And it's not a respectable argument either because arguing based on RAI is just a cop-out. It's your table and your the DM because if not, it's neither your circus nor your monkeys. But if it is, you can change and alter the rules however you want, ban spells, change spells, change spell interactions, or whatever else you feel like. You just need to take responsibility for that decision and communicate with the players accordingly rather than saying "obviously unintended". Just say from the start that Nystul's Magic Aura is changed and has the range "self" instead of "touch". Rule that Create Magen can only be cast a certain number of times and base it on the Intelligence modifier or Proficiency bonus or whatever other number you prefer, potentially once if you like or ban the spell entirely. Determine that Simulacrums cannot cast Wish. There's no need to argue with RAI; just say what the rules are. Seriously, whenever I hear RAI or "obviously un/intended", I immediately lose respect and leave the table because if the DM can't even pull up his pants, establish his rules, and say "I rule that xyz", I'm in the wrong room. Fortunately, I haven't met an experienced DM yet who has that issue and it's only the younger or newer ones, especially the ones who want to be like Matt Mercer and become professionals and/or streamers, who say something like that. [/QUOTE]
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