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<blockquote data-quote="Ancoulainn" data-source="post: 9869648" data-attributes="member: 7056539"><p>The point is that the spell creates that desire. That's what Enchantment magic does.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't say that in the spell's description.</p><p></p><p>Yes, it does. It says "have the Charmed condition for the duration" which is change in thinking and "The Charmed target pursues the suggestion to the best of its ability" which means it's invested in the task.</p><p></p><p>I'm not inferring. I quoted the text from the PHB with the respective passages.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, the point is not whether the target is willing before failing the save. The point is that it is willing after failing the save as failing the save creates that willingness because that's what Enchantment spells do. They charm, beguile, and entrance and that's not mind-control or coercion. Quite the opposite actually!</p><p></p><p>Willingness is given when the urging aligns with the monster's desires by 5e definition. The Suggestion spell creates that alignment. That it wasn't there before or wouldn't be there without the spell doesn't change that.</p><p></p><p>And if the suggestion is that the target is supposed to be a willing target for the caster's spells, then that's the suggestion the charmed target pursues to the best of its ability. The spell just says that the suggestion has to be described in no more than 25 words and that it has to be achievable. Your earlier contention that being willing or creating willingness would not be a "course of action" is inference and one that isn't even grounded in psychology, let alone 5e rules. Of course, it is a course of action. Thinking and other mental activities are actions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancoulainn, post: 9869648, member: 7056539"] The point is that the spell creates that desire. That's what Enchantment magic does. It doesn't say that in the spell's description. Yes, it does. It says "have the Charmed condition for the duration" which is change in thinking and "The Charmed target pursues the suggestion to the best of its ability" which means it's invested in the task. I'm not inferring. I quoted the text from the PHB with the respective passages. Secondly, the point is not whether the target is willing before failing the save. The point is that it is willing after failing the save as failing the save creates that willingness because that's what Enchantment spells do. They charm, beguile, and entrance and that's not mind-control or coercion. Quite the opposite actually! Willingness is given when the urging aligns with the monster's desires by 5e definition. The Suggestion spell creates that alignment. That it wasn't there before or wouldn't be there without the spell doesn't change that. And if the suggestion is that the target is supposed to be a willing target for the caster's spells, then that's the suggestion the charmed target pursues to the best of its ability. The spell just says that the suggestion has to be described in no more than 25 words and that it has to be achievable. Your earlier contention that being willing or creating willingness would not be a "course of action" is inference and one that isn't even grounded in psychology, let alone 5e rules. Of course, it is a course of action. Thinking and other mental activities are actions. [/QUOTE]
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