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<blockquote data-quote="I'm Cleo" data-source="post: 3508929" data-attributes="member: 40615">By the way, isn't the halfling wizard actually &quot;max/minned&quot;, rather than &quot;min/minned&quot;, since &quot;min/max&quot; stands for &quot;minimizing one's weaknesses while maximizing one's strengths&quot;?I also think it's a little problematic to refer to extraordinarily specialized characters as &quot;optimized&quot;, since they're rather sub-optimal in nearly any situation other than the one for which they were designed.&nbsp; What's really meant seems to be &quot;characters making use of the game-breaking, goofy rules loopholes that people on the WotC Character Optimization boards discover&quot;.&nbsp; Those aren't so much &quot;optimized&quot; as they're just one-trick ponies.&nbsp; As a prophylactic measure, I'd point out that I love the CharOp boards, I'm an avid min/maxer myself, and I would never actually play something like a Hulking Hurler (taken to its extreme, at least), Pun-Pun, or the Wish or the Word.&nbsp; But I appreciate the artistry of the well-designed builds one sees on that forum (E.g., Snow's Chain Tripper, the Killer Gnome, the King of Smack, &amp;c.) as products of efficient rules combination -- recreational mathematics, essentially.&nbsp; I'm Cleo!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm Cleo, post: 3508929, member: 40615"] By the way, isn't the halfling wizard actually "max/minned", rather than "min/minned", since "min/max" stands for "minimizing one's weaknesses while maximizing one's strengths"? I also think it's a little problematic to refer to extraordinarily specialized characters as "optimized", since they're rather sub-optimal in nearly any situation other than the one for which they were designed. What's really meant seems to be "characters making use of the game-breaking, goofy rules loopholes that people on the WotC Character Optimization boards discover". Those aren't so much "optimized" as they're just one-trick ponies. As a prophylactic measure, I'd point out that I love the CharOp boards, I'm an avid min/maxer myself, and I would never actually play something like a Hulking Hurler (taken to its extreme, at least), Pun-Pun, or the Wish or the Word. But I appreciate the artistry of the well-designed builds one sees on that forum (E.g., Snow's Chain Tripper, the Killer Gnome, the King of Smack, &c.) as products of efficient rules combination -- recreational mathematics, essentially. I'm Cleo! [/QUOTE]

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