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<blockquote data-quote="Wolf1066" data-source="post: 5150500" data-attributes="member: 88680"><p>Standard armour types and the threats they are designed to stop are as follows:</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>I </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> .22, .25, and .32 calibre </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">handguns, .38 Special lead </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">round-nose</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>II-A </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">high-velocity </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">.38 Special, .45s, </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">low-velocity .357 Magnum & 9-mm, </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">.22 rifles</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>II </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Higher velocity .357 Magnum and </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">9-mm</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>III-A</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">.44 Magnum and submachine gun 9-mm</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>III </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> High-power rifle: </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">5.56mm, 7.62 mm FMJ, .30 </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">carbine, .30-06 pointed soft </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">point, 12-gauge rifled slug</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>IV </strong> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Armour-piercing rifle bullet, .30 </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">calibre (1 shot only).</span></p><p> </p><p>So, according to Rogue's tables, a standard or low velocity .357 Magnum does 2D8+6, giving a maximum damage of 22 (at point blank range going by my above reckoning).</p><p></p><p>This means that in order to stop it from penetrating, your Type II-A armour must have at least an SP of 22. For a Kevlar vest.</p><p></p><p>It cannot be too much higher than that in order to give the high velocity .357 Magnums, 9mms and .40S&Ws a reasonable chance of penetrating at point blank range or further.</p><p></p><p>OK, there's more to bullet penetration in the real world than just raw foot-pounds and so it's rather simplistic basing things on just maximum possible values on a few dice, but it has to be simplified somehow.</p><p></p><p>So now we know roughly how many points of damage to subtract from the .30-06 round (3D12+6) that's just ripped through your Type II-A armour (legal maximum for <em><strong>you</strong></em>, citizen) body armour...</p><p></p><p>And that's not an armour-piercing round, Choomba, it's just a plain ol' Jacketed Soft Point hunting round that's <strong>not </strong>gonna do "half damage" after penetrating. In fact, after it's hit your armour - and deformed somewhat before smashing its way through - it's gonna do some pretty ugly stuff to your insides...</p><p></p><p>Hold it! Legal Maximum?</p><p></p><p>What, you think the Powers That Be are going to let the average citizen have free access to levels of armour that can prevent duly-appointed Law Enforcement officials from carrying out their sworn duty to subdue anyone who decides to threaten the peace? (Or force them to work harder to do so?)</p><p></p><p>And even when it does stop the "killing damage", there's still bludgeon damage which can mess up your day (broken ribs can be nasty, I hear, and a ruptured spleen can be fatal) - even Davis puts in extra padding before shooting himself in the guts with a .44 Magnum, just to make sure his spleen stays the same shape as before...</p><p></p><p>Some of the higher levels of protection (relevant only to certain military personnel if you're running them) rely on inserted ceramic plates - not only would that screw up REF for anything requiring flexibility of your torso, the weight is going to start mounting up. And did I mention it's hot?</p><p></p><p>My [mumble] in the Police Force told me - I said my [mumble]<span style="font-size: 9px">niece</span>[/mumble] in the... all right, my <em><strong>NIECE </strong>in the Police Force</em> - yes, it does make me feel a bit old, why do you ask? - told me that the stab-proof vests they wear are bloody uncomfortable in hot weather. Sadly, it's part of the dress code, along with the heavy Batman Utility Belt with pepper spray, radio, cuffs, baton, torch etc.</p><p></p><p>Having had my own experiences with being "armoured up" in the heat of summer (motorcycle armour), I can attest that it's not something you want to endure for too long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wolf1066, post: 5150500, member: 88680"] Standard armour types and the threats they are designed to stop are as follows: [FONT=Verdana][B]I [/B] .22, .25, and .32 calibre [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]handguns, .38 Special lead [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]round-nose [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B]II-A [/B] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]high-velocity [/FONT][FONT=Verdana].38 Special, .45s, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]low-velocity .357 Magnum & 9-mm, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana].22 rifles [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B]II [/B] Higher velocity .357 Magnum and [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]9-mm [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B]III-A[/B] .44 Magnum and submachine gun 9-mm [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B]III [/B] High-power rifle: [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]5.56mm, 7.62 mm FMJ, .30 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]carbine, .30-06 pointed soft [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]point, 12-gauge rifled slug [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B]IV [/B] Armour-piercing rifle bullet, .30 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]calibre (1 shot only).[/FONT] So, according to Rogue's tables, a standard or low velocity .357 Magnum does 2D8+6, giving a maximum damage of 22 (at point blank range going by my above reckoning). This means that in order to stop it from penetrating, your Type II-A armour must have at least an SP of 22. For a Kevlar vest. It cannot be too much higher than that in order to give the high velocity .357 Magnums, 9mms and .40S&Ws a reasonable chance of penetrating at point blank range or further. OK, there's more to bullet penetration in the real world than just raw foot-pounds and so it's rather simplistic basing things on just maximum possible values on a few dice, but it has to be simplified somehow. So now we know roughly how many points of damage to subtract from the .30-06 round (3D12+6) that's just ripped through your Type II-A armour (legal maximum for [I][B]you[/B][/I], citizen) body armour... And that's not an armour-piercing round, Choomba, it's just a plain ol' Jacketed Soft Point hunting round that's [B]not [/B]gonna do "half damage" after penetrating. In fact, after it's hit your armour - and deformed somewhat before smashing its way through - it's gonna do some pretty ugly stuff to your insides... Hold it! Legal Maximum? What, you think the Powers That Be are going to let the average citizen have free access to levels of armour that can prevent duly-appointed Law Enforcement officials from carrying out their sworn duty to subdue anyone who decides to threaten the peace? (Or force them to work harder to do so?) And even when it does stop the "killing damage", there's still bludgeon damage which can mess up your day (broken ribs can be nasty, I hear, and a ruptured spleen can be fatal) - even Davis puts in extra padding before shooting himself in the guts with a .44 Magnum, just to make sure his spleen stays the same shape as before... Some of the higher levels of protection (relevant only to certain military personnel if you're running them) rely on inserted ceramic plates - not only would that screw up REF for anything requiring flexibility of your torso, the weight is going to start mounting up. And did I mention it's hot? My [mumble] in the Police Force told me - I said my [mumble][SIZE=1]niece[/SIZE][/mumble] in the... all right, my [I][B]NIECE [/B]in the Police Force[/I] - yes, it does make me feel a bit old, why do you ask? - told me that the stab-proof vests they wear are bloody uncomfortable in hot weather. Sadly, it's part of the dress code, along with the heavy Batman Utility Belt with pepper spray, radio, cuffs, baton, torch etc. Having had my own experiences with being "armoured up" in the heat of summer (motorcycle armour), I can attest that it's not something you want to endure for too long. [/QUOTE]
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