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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6773908" data-attributes="member: 5834">Did you miss the section of the DMG I quoted? It says the DM determines how the check works. It is a pass/fail system, but the DC is not hard-coded. So if the DM determines that the check requires skill in Knowledge Arcana as a prererquisite for the skill check, then it requires Knowledge Arcana. If the DM says it is a knowledge arcana check with no limitations, then he can allow anyone to roll. The DM has lots of room to play with the specifics of how a skill or ability check works. If the DM says it is DC 20 hard check for a standard knowledge roll and a DC 15 check for someone from a particular area, the DM is allowed to write the check in that fashion. Just as he can use Advantage and Disadvantage circumstantially as well.This whole objectively meaningful and hard-coded stance some of you are pushing is not in the 5E rules. That's why you don't have long lists of objectively meaningful DCs like you did in past systems. Some folks need to get this idea of a concrete rule for everything out of their head because that isn't how 5E works. Even monster creation is open-ended. If the DM decides an ability requires a DC 35 saving throw, then it requires a DC 35 saving throw. It's not like 3E/Pathfinder where this DC is based on Con and it is equal to half-hit die plus Con modifier. You can do it that way if you want, but it isn't required. You can make it whatever DC you believe will provide a sufficient challenge to your party.The skill and ability check system is no different. Not sure why anyone is trying to put limitations on the skill and ability check system that are not present.I'm still waiting for Hussar or others that support his "objectively meaningful" system idea to provide me with a long list of hard-coded DCs. Or a rule that states I'm not allowed to write an ability or skill check in a fashion that favors someone with the knowledge skill. Or a rule that says I have to let everyone roll regardless of things like my determination that a 3 foot gnome can't do all the things a 7 foot goliath can do or vice versa. I'm waiting for those rules and DC lists. All I'm reading in the book is if you make the check the DM decides is necessary for success, you succeed. How the DM writes that check is wide open.</blockquote>

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