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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 6779374" data-attributes="member: 83242">I apologize, I muddied the issue.  These were two different ideas.  1) I am likely to ask for a roll before deciding on the DC.  If I don't know the DC of a task before hand I may ask for a roll (I like to keep things moving) and determine the DC as the roll is happening or after it is happened.2) My RAI comment was not intended to be about how I might adjudicate the events (as described above), it was that the intent is to provide flexibility to cover the multitude of possibilities, not just the limited examples they place in the book.  The whole reason there is a "variant rule"  is to show there are other ways to adjudicate things, not to say this is the only other way you can adjudicate.I hope that clarifies things.</blockquote>