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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8613894" data-attributes="member: 762"><p>I think you're assertion that the fighter is doing SO MUCH less damage than the wizard bears examination.</p><p></p><p>At low levels, the wizard certainly has spells that can out damage the fighter but they are high resource cost. So the wizard is in only getting to use them a lot (per adventure) if the DM is allowing the PCs to dictate the pace of play. If not, the wizard will run out of juice fast.</p><p></p><p>At high levels, the DPR wizard is dealing with factors that limit his damage: magic resistance, elemental resistance/immunity, legendary resistance, monsters not conveniently forming into fireball formation etc. This caps his actual damage well below his theoretical damage.</p><p></p><p>Further, AoE damage is useful BUT either it's clearing mooks which, while a nuisance, are not a huge threat; or, it's damaging but not downing the serious threats. This is big, because a monster at half hp is just as dangerous as one at full. A fighter can focus on the serious threats to down them.</p><p></p><p>And that's where bless comes in. Bless is useless for AoE spells anyway (well any which require a saving throw not an attack roll, but that's, what, 99%?) Whereas the fighter gets a nice damage boost.</p><p></p><p>And for casters that DO benefit from bless offensively (eldritch blast spamming warlocks jump out here) they certainly do get a big, likely balance affecting bump.</p><p></p><p>None of which, IMO or experience, suggests bless is OP(too many balancing factors), but I don't think the whole casters out damage martials track is useful in that discussion (because the answer isn't actually that clear cut in favor of casters).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mort, post: 8613894, member: 762"] I think you're assertion that the fighter is doing SO MUCH less damage than the wizard bears examination. At low levels, the wizard certainly has spells that can out damage the fighter but they are high resource cost. So the wizard is in only getting to use them a lot (per adventure) if the DM is allowing the PCs to dictate the pace of play. If not, the wizard will run out of juice fast. At high levels, the DPR wizard is dealing with factors that limit his damage: magic resistance, elemental resistance/immunity, legendary resistance, monsters not conveniently forming into fireball formation etc. This caps his actual damage well below his theoretical damage. Further, AoE damage is useful BUT either it's clearing mooks which, while a nuisance, are not a huge threat; or, it's damaging but not downing the serious threats. This is big, because a monster at half hp is just as dangerous as one at full. A fighter can focus on the serious threats to down them. And that's where bless comes in. Bless is useless for AoE spells anyway (well any which require a saving throw not an attack roll, but that's, what, 99%?) Whereas the fighter gets a nice damage boost. And for casters that DO benefit from bless offensively (eldritch blast spamming warlocks jump out here) they certainly do get a big, likely balance affecting bump. None of which, IMO or experience, suggests bless is OP(too many balancing factors), but I don't think the whole casters out damage martials track is useful in that discussion (because the answer isn't actually that clear cut in favor of casters). [/QUOTE]
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