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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Torranocca" data-source="post: 8579908" data-attributes="member: 7035401">You seem to me, again like others, to be touching on the real underlying issues I am alluding too. “Sand box/ Railroad” is a false dichotomy, neither are the issue because neither exist as many in these discussions seem to believe. The issues are more closely related to how more modern players and obviously, the game designers of WotC era D&D have brought concepts from video games and comic book/ movies superhero’s into a gaming structure where they are a mismatch.Older games were run on a premise that players wanted to create characters that, through their deeds and adventures, would eventually become renowned heroes.From 3.5 D&D onward, the games ran under the premise that player characters started out as defectors heros and automatically obtained the mantel of Super Hero’s by virtue of not dying. A massive amount of reward for little to no effort, this fed( In my long years of observation while running games) a sense of entitlement among many players that the DMs owe everyone else their efforts and attention while they themselves show up to sessions with little to no idea what went on in the last meeting beside some clever remark or joke they made. Then spend the new sessions messing with their phones, combing endless expansion books for new feats and advantages to stack, and asking what is going on when it is their characters turn to act. If they then do something completely random and do not get the positive result they want, the game is not “sand box” enough. If their random actions or decisions go badly for their characters” this is a railroad/ choo choo plot and it doesn’t matter what I do!”This has been unique to D&D as far as I have observedI’ve also run BESM,Fading Suns, Riddle of Steel, participated in Shadow Run,GURPS and Exalted. The issues above did not come up in those systems. Although I will note, power- gamers flocked to Palladium’s RIFTS games like bees to honey <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤪" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f92a.png" title="Zany face    :zany_face:" data-shortname=":zany_face:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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