Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Not Reading Ryan Dancy
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 3288979" data-attributes="member: 7883"><p>Collated and organized rules? Maybe. And I'm not going to question their market research, as I have only annecdotal evidence to compare against.....but I don't *agree* with the assessment that gamer will buy outright new editions every 3-4 years. There are so many supplemental books etc. that making wholesale edition changes will (I think) fragment their customer base.</p><p></p><p>Probably many of us here are EN World are atypical customers....both from the fact that we're all sitting on a message board talking about the game, but also from the perspective that many of us have probably purchased many books over the years. If they started doing edition changes every 3-4 years, I'd probably fall behind and stop bothering to buy, and I don't think I'm alone in that feeling. This is not a hobby of buying trading or gaming cards. At an average price of $30-40, gaming books are expensive....once you have 40, 50, 60 books, that's a significant expense. I won't use the term "investment" because the books rarely gain value. I know I could probably sell my Dark Sun collection for $100 or $200...but it cost far more than that to get it in the first place....hence it's not an investment.</p><p></p><p>The problem isn't the core rules....so much as it is everything *depending* on the core rules....the complete books, the equipment guide, the various monster manuals, the adventures, the races series, the "nomicon series", etc. Changing from 3E to 4E would invalidate that material. Sure, it can be converted, but that's a lot of work. There's plenty of 2E stuff which still hasn't been converted. So given that I've probably got 40-50 rulebooks based on 3/3.5, there's really not much incentive to buy a 4.0 MM/PHB/DMG, whereas I'd probably continue to purchase 3.5 supplements.</p><p></p><p>Many of us don't use the minis, so incorporating them further into the rules might not be the wisest move. Or maybe, I'm the exception rather than the rule. I know in my group that most of us have purchased minis, but we get maybe 5% use out of our minis. Everyone's purchased some, but there's one guy that plays the minis game on alternate nights, so he keeps collecting. He has so many that most of never get a chance to use our own, so 5 of the 6 people in the group have stopped buying any more, and only one guy is purchasing them at this point. I don't think I've even opened my minis container in 2-3 months.</p><p></p><p>Those are just my thoughts.</p><p></p><p>Banshee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 3288979, member: 7883"] Collated and organized rules? Maybe. And I'm not going to question their market research, as I have only annecdotal evidence to compare against.....but I don't *agree* with the assessment that gamer will buy outright new editions every 3-4 years. There are so many supplemental books etc. that making wholesale edition changes will (I think) fragment their customer base. Probably many of us here are EN World are atypical customers....both from the fact that we're all sitting on a message board talking about the game, but also from the perspective that many of us have probably purchased many books over the years. If they started doing edition changes every 3-4 years, I'd probably fall behind and stop bothering to buy, and I don't think I'm alone in that feeling. This is not a hobby of buying trading or gaming cards. At an average price of $30-40, gaming books are expensive....once you have 40, 50, 60 books, that's a significant expense. I won't use the term "investment" because the books rarely gain value. I know I could probably sell my Dark Sun collection for $100 or $200...but it cost far more than that to get it in the first place....hence it's not an investment. The problem isn't the core rules....so much as it is everything *depending* on the core rules....the complete books, the equipment guide, the various monster manuals, the adventures, the races series, the "nomicon series", etc. Changing from 3E to 4E would invalidate that material. Sure, it can be converted, but that's a lot of work. There's plenty of 2E stuff which still hasn't been converted. So given that I've probably got 40-50 rulebooks based on 3/3.5, there's really not much incentive to buy a 4.0 MM/PHB/DMG, whereas I'd probably continue to purchase 3.5 supplements. Many of us don't use the minis, so incorporating them further into the rules might not be the wisest move. Or maybe, I'm the exception rather than the rule. I know in my group that most of us have purchased minis, but we get maybe 5% use out of our minis. Everyone's purchased some, but there's one guy that plays the minis game on alternate nights, so he keeps collecting. He has so many that most of never get a chance to use our own, so 5 of the 6 people in the group have stopped buying any more, and only one guy is purchasing them at this point. I don't think I've even opened my minis container in 2-3 months. Those are just my thoughts. Banshee [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Not Reading Ryan Dancy
Top