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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 257113" data-attributes="member: 5724">prestige classesi think there are really only  fighter, mage, rogue, druid.a REAL cleric would have mage limitations and cast healing/protective/retributive against their opposite alignment spells.i mean, come on.. a full blown spell caster in heavy armor with shield with two domain special abilites and turn undead.... but i think the cleric is the most powerful/perhaps overpowered class. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />clerics are prestige fighters in 3epaladins are more fighter less healer than cleric  (id ignore the LG requirement)rangers are prestige fighters (any armor for two weap fighting)barbarians are prestige fighters ('id ignore the C requirement, and the illiteracy part, and give +move in any armor)bards are prestige roguesmonks are prestige rogues.. they fight equally, but get other abilities and fewer skills to balance that out (i'd ignore the lawful requirement)sorcs are just mages with a twistHere's my main reasoning behind this.  1. Any class that requires a social organization is definitely a prestige class.  I dont want friggen monk style monasteries in my world but i have to have them to have a core class.... thats prestige, my man....  monk is also only non-eurocentric class.2.  Any class with supernatural abilities i would consider prestige, regular classes would be only extraordinary abilites etc...3.  Druid would be non-prestige since every single culture has a nature magic archetype.4. Mage is non-prestige because the learned scholor type is in every culture with writing.5. fighters are obvious as well as rogues.6. bards were really just rogues who could sing or play an instrument, if you want to give them spells/supernatural abilities thats a prestige.If there was a real cleric.  not the uber warrior-priests that are in 3e i would place them as a prestige class of a druid.  everything began with worshipping nature.  If you dont like that idea, i'd replace the druid with my cleric and the druid would then become part of the "required society" and be sent to the prestige class.well this is not the most rigid and unyielding classification system but its a good place to start.  What you all think?joe b.</blockquote>

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