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Not the Wicked Witch: Revisiting the Legacy of Lorraine Williams
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<blockquote data-quote="Count_Zero" data-source="post: 9427089" data-attributes="member: 40164"><p>And the lawsuits are in none of those buckets - that's my very strong objection. Because those happened, and Shannon Appelcline documented those extensively in Designers & Dragons in the entries for New Infinities Productions, GDW, and Mayfair Games. Plus the Cease & Desist letters sent out against fansites (which are <em>also</em> documented in Designers & Dragons, because Shannon Appelcline was one of the recipients of them).</p><p></p><p>If you are considering this "something people claim but there aren't receipts" - there we have very clearly documented receipts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I also have problems with this, because it is fundamentally dependant on having the "fair market" value for the Buck Rogers license set which - well, what we've got is that the last Buck Rogers TV show had been canceled by this point (and maybe was in syndication on cable). Also, the comic strip was no longer in the papers (whereas Flash Gordon was still in newspapers). There wasn't an ongoing comic book until TSR published one themselves to support the line, there were no new fiction books, and the only video game had been the Sega arcade game (Buck Rogers: Planet of Zoom).</p><p></p><p>So, the property wasn't a going concern at the time, meaning the value of the license is based on whoever is bidding on the RPG license (since we don't have any other contemporary sales figures to go by), and if the only people doing that are TSR, which is owned by a member of the Dille family trust, then whether what they paid is fair market value is inherently questionable, because having a member of the trust that owns Buck Rogers as CEO of TSR inherently puts a thumb on the scale when it comes to closing the deal - meaning if the only company going after the license was TSR we can't consider that a "fair market price" - there are no other offers to compare to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Count_Zero, post: 9427089, member: 40164"] And the lawsuits are in none of those buckets - that's my very strong objection. Because those happened, and Shannon Appelcline documented those extensively in Designers & Dragons in the entries for New Infinities Productions, GDW, and Mayfair Games. Plus the Cease & Desist letters sent out against fansites (which are [I]also[/I] documented in Designers & Dragons, because Shannon Appelcline was one of the recipients of them). If you are considering this "something people claim but there aren't receipts" - there we have very clearly documented receipts. I also have problems with this, because it is fundamentally dependant on having the "fair market" value for the Buck Rogers license set which - well, what we've got is that the last Buck Rogers TV show had been canceled by this point (and maybe was in syndication on cable). Also, the comic strip was no longer in the papers (whereas Flash Gordon was still in newspapers). There wasn't an ongoing comic book until TSR published one themselves to support the line, there were no new fiction books, and the only video game had been the Sega arcade game (Buck Rogers: Planet of Zoom). So, the property wasn't a going concern at the time, meaning the value of the license is based on whoever is bidding on the RPG license (since we don't have any other contemporary sales figures to go by), and if the only people doing that are TSR, which is owned by a member of the Dille family trust, then whether what they paid is fair market value is inherently questionable, because having a member of the trust that owns Buck Rogers as CEO of TSR inherently puts a thumb on the scale when it comes to closing the deal - meaning if the only company going after the license was TSR we can't consider that a "fair market price" - there are no other offers to compare to. [/QUOTE]
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