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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7578065" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>I really just wanted to say something about this specific point-- I'd recommend you not think of it as stealth "failing". If you take the Hide action, you *are* stealthed. <em>Regardless</em> of what number your check ended up being. Rather... the number just tells you <em>how well</em> you are stealthed and hidden.</p><p></p><p>It is an important distinction, because whether you are noticed/seen by other people has nothing to do with you. You can be noticed by some people, and not noticed by others. If an enemy has a high passive perception, that specific person might know where you are... but another one with a low passive might not. You could almost think of it as being "hidden" and "not hidden" at the same time-- which is why I say don't fall into the trap of thinking it as a pass/fail idea. Your PC doesn't pass or fail when they take the Hide action, its the people trying to <em>find</em> your PC that pass or fail. They either notice you or they don't.</p><p></p><p>What this means though... is that while you are hidden, if you choose to make an attack the next time your action comes up, you can possibly get advantage if you choose the right target, or NOT get advantage if you choose a wrong one. Choose a target whose passive perception is lower than your DEX (Stealth) check? Congrats! You get advantage! Choose the one whose PP is higher (and thus they know where you are?) Sorry, no advantage. Thus it behooves you after your PC has made their DEX (Stealth) check to keep a good eye out for how the enemies react on their turns. Because what the DM has them do will give you a better shot at recognizing which enemies did notice your PC and which ones didn't, thus making your target selection better for getting advantage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7578065, member: 7006"] I really just wanted to say something about this specific point-- I'd recommend you not think of it as stealth "failing". If you take the Hide action, you *are* stealthed. [I]Regardless[/I] of what number your check ended up being. Rather... the number just tells you [I]how well[/I] you are stealthed and hidden. It is an important distinction, because whether you are noticed/seen by other people has nothing to do with you. You can be noticed by some people, and not noticed by others. If an enemy has a high passive perception, that specific person might know where you are... but another one with a low passive might not. You could almost think of it as being "hidden" and "not hidden" at the same time-- which is why I say don't fall into the trap of thinking it as a pass/fail idea. Your PC doesn't pass or fail when they take the Hide action, its the people trying to [I]find[/I] your PC that pass or fail. They either notice you or they don't. What this means though... is that while you are hidden, if you choose to make an attack the next time your action comes up, you can possibly get advantage if you choose the right target, or NOT get advantage if you choose a wrong one. Choose a target whose passive perception is lower than your DEX (Stealth) check? Congrats! You get advantage! Choose the one whose PP is higher (and thus they know where you are?) Sorry, no advantage. Thus it behooves you after your PC has made their DEX (Stealth) check to keep a good eye out for how the enemies react on their turns. Because what the DM has them do will give you a better shot at recognizing which enemies did notice your PC and which ones didn't, thus making your target selection better for getting advantage. [/QUOTE]
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