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<blockquote data-quote="Rya.Reisender" data-source="post: 7578080" data-attributes="member: 6801585"><p>If you roll a 12 and enemy A has 11 passive perception and enemy B has 13 passive perception, then you are hidden from A but not from B.</p><p>You won't become hidden for B at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't make the mistake to think that "hidden" is some kind of status change you get when you beat ALL passive perceptions. It's a "per enemy" check. See my example above.</p><p></p><p>Taking that example, you are hidden from A until:</p><p>- You come out of hiding and approach the target</p><p>- You are seen clearly</p><p>- You make noise</p><p>- You attacked and hit or missed a target</p><p>- The DM determined that whatever you just did revealed your current position</p><p></p><p>There's no time limit, but you are only hidden in the context you made the roll for. </p><p></p><p>For example a guard comes down the hallway and you try hide from him and roll a 25. You aren't spotted. But that doesn't mean you can now walk through the whole dungeon as much as you want without a risk of being spotted unless something has a passive perception of 26 or higher. Typically you would be asked to roll again if stealth is required in a new situation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, the difference between being unseen and hidden is mainly that being hidden means the DM doesn't tell you the exact position where the hidden person is standing. Hiding successfully also means that you are unheard (moving silently and generally not making any noise that would reveal your position).</p><p></p><p>However, this is often something that the DM simply determines. Someone uses his sense of smell to determine where the enemy is? I might tell him "You can tell he must be somewhere around there.", then the attacker still needs to guess the position, but the chance to guess the right spot might be much higher or even 100% (e.g. if there's only one reasonable to spot to hide at in that area).</p><p></p><p>If someone actively tries to spot a target by seeing or hearing, that would consume an action and I'd ask for an active perception roll. If result is higher than passive perception, this applies.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Say a person has 11 passive perception and keen hearing or smell. You try hiding: </p><p>0-11 - Nothing changes.</p><p>17+ - Hidden from the person (not seen and not heard).</p><p>12-16 - Sight check failed but person could still hear or smell the target. You aren't really hidden if you are still heard.</p><p></p><p>Usually the trick here is to see the +5 bonus to only apply to some parts of the perception check. And then you can check what the specific rule says. Does it only talk about seeing or about perceiving or about seeing and hearing, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rya.Reisender, post: 7578080, member: 6801585"] If you roll a 12 and enemy A has 11 passive perception and enemy B has 13 passive perception, then you are hidden from A but not from B. You won't become hidden for B at all. Don't make the mistake to think that "hidden" is some kind of status change you get when you beat ALL passive perceptions. It's a "per enemy" check. See my example above. Taking that example, you are hidden from A until: - You come out of hiding and approach the target - You are seen clearly - You make noise - You attacked and hit or missed a target - The DM determined that whatever you just did revealed your current position There's no time limit, but you are only hidden in the context you made the roll for. For example a guard comes down the hallway and you try hide from him and roll a 25. You aren't spotted. But that doesn't mean you can now walk through the whole dungeon as much as you want without a risk of being spotted unless something has a passive perception of 26 or higher. Typically you would be asked to roll again if stealth is required in a new situation. Well, the difference between being unseen and hidden is mainly that being hidden means the DM doesn't tell you the exact position where the hidden person is standing. Hiding successfully also means that you are unheard (moving silently and generally not making any noise that would reveal your position). However, this is often something that the DM simply determines. Someone uses his sense of smell to determine where the enemy is? I might tell him "You can tell he must be somewhere around there.", then the attacker still needs to guess the position, but the chance to guess the right spot might be much higher or even 100% (e.g. if there's only one reasonable to spot to hide at in that area). If someone actively tries to spot a target by seeing or hearing, that would consume an action and I'd ask for an active perception roll. If result is higher than passive perception, this applies. Say a person has 11 passive perception and keen hearing or smell. You try hiding: 0-11 - Nothing changes. 17+ - Hidden from the person (not seen and not heard). 12-16 - Sight check failed but person could still hear or smell the target. You aren't really hidden if you are still heard. Usually the trick here is to see the +5 bonus to only apply to some parts of the perception check. And then you can check what the specific rule says. Does it only talk about seeing or about perceiving or about seeing and hearing, etc. [/QUOTE]
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