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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7579146" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>I believe the standard rule is if the Passive Perception is greater, they automatically notice the hidden creature. However, our DM uses it for what it is: passive. Basically, say your Passive Perception was 20 and an goblin is hiding with a check of 18. Since your passive score is higher, our DM TELLS you to make a check since your instinctual perception might pick up on something even if you as a player don't declare you are looking. If your Passive Perception was 15 against the goblin's 18, the DM won't tell you to make a check unless you specify you are actively looking for a hidden creature, etc.</p><p></p><p>I like this house-ruling since otherwise my character with a Passive Perception of 23 would notice just about everything all the time. While her score is great, I think it is more realistic that I am giving more chances to notice something when the DM tells me to roll, but it isn't automatic. Plus, it makes Observant work better. Remember, a feat like Observant improves your Passive scores, but not your active. So, if the DM tells me to make a check, I am only rolling +8, but my passive is +13.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We play until you move, cast a spell, or attack. If you act in any other way that makes noise (like trying to whisper to someone nearby) or causes movement like Using an Object, another check is required and contested.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose it depends on your hidden subject, are they also moving or remaining still/quiet? Why are they rolling stealth? The visual part seems covered due to the conditions, so most likely they are really trying to remain quiet. If that is the case, the perception checks would be normal since hearing is not being blocked as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It can be a bit odd since sight and hearing are lumped into one check now, and sometimes our DM has us make a check for each sense separately. As I noted earlier, the hidden part is immaterial due to the conditions, so I am pretty sure our DM would still grant advantage on a perception check to hear or smell a target if a creature has Keen Senses.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7579146, member: 6987520"] I believe the standard rule is if the Passive Perception is greater, they automatically notice the hidden creature. However, our DM uses it for what it is: passive. Basically, say your Passive Perception was 20 and an goblin is hiding with a check of 18. Since your passive score is higher, our DM TELLS you to make a check since your instinctual perception might pick up on something even if you as a player don't declare you are looking. If your Passive Perception was 15 against the goblin's 18, the DM won't tell you to make a check unless you specify you are actively looking for a hidden creature, etc. I like this house-ruling since otherwise my character with a Passive Perception of 23 would notice just about everything all the time. While her score is great, I think it is more realistic that I am giving more chances to notice something when the DM tells me to roll, but it isn't automatic. Plus, it makes Observant work better. Remember, a feat like Observant improves your Passive scores, but not your active. So, if the DM tells me to make a check, I am only rolling +8, but my passive is +13. We play until you move, cast a spell, or attack. If you act in any other way that makes noise (like trying to whisper to someone nearby) or causes movement like Using an Object, another check is required and contested. I suppose it depends on your hidden subject, are they also moving or remaining still/quiet? Why are they rolling stealth? The visual part seems covered due to the conditions, so most likely they are really trying to remain quiet. If that is the case, the perception checks would be normal since hearing is not being blocked as well. It can be a bit odd since sight and hearing are lumped into one check now, and sometimes our DM has us make a check for each sense separately. As I noted earlier, the hidden part is immaterial due to the conditions, so I am pretty sure our DM would still grant advantage on a perception check to hear or smell a target if a creature has Keen Senses. [/QUOTE]
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