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<blockquote data-quote="slobster" data-source="post: 5919925" data-attributes="member: 6693711"><p>I don't think he meant levelling the playing field between spellcasters and mundanes. He meant level the field between the spell sleep and other spells at the same level.</p><p></p><p>Having an option available (let's say sleep versus magic missile) which is far and away more effective isn't really a choice for certain playstyles. You'll always pick the optimal option. This is in contrast to a system that offers choices with situational advantages, where obviously you'll have to make some decisions and tradeoffs. But there essentially isn't a tradeoff with older versions of the sleep spell; it's always a good choice.</p><p></p><p>Of course some people will make their choices based on roleplaying and other factors, and that's great. But making a system with balanced choices does nothing to restrict that playstyle, while a system with poorly balanced options ruins the optimizer's chance to make meaningful choices.</p><p></p><p>I think that's what he was saying. If it isn't, that's still what I would say <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="slobster, post: 5919925, member: 6693711"] I don't think he meant levelling the playing field between spellcasters and mundanes. He meant level the field between the spell sleep and other spells at the same level. Having an option available (let's say sleep versus magic missile) which is far and away more effective isn't really a choice for certain playstyles. You'll always pick the optimal option. This is in contrast to a system that offers choices with situational advantages, where obviously you'll have to make some decisions and tradeoffs. But there essentially isn't a tradeoff with older versions of the sleep spell; it's always a good choice. Of course some people will make their choices based on roleplaying and other factors, and that's great. But making a system with balanced choices does nothing to restrict that playstyle, while a system with poorly balanced options ruins the optimizer's chance to make meaningful choices. I think that's what he was saying. If it isn't, that's still what I would say ;). [/QUOTE]
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