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<blockquote data-quote="Kordeth" data-source="post: 4409123" data-attributes="member: 5036">I don't really see the problem. The standard action is obviously a closer, more diligent search, and if you beat the Stealth check, you actually see the target. Why would that need to mention being able to target it? You now have line of sight to the target, ergo as long as you have line of effect, you can smack it. Assuming the target is hiding in a concealed square, you've now also dropped its total concealment (from being unseen) to regular concealment. The downside, of course, is that you've used your standard action.A minor action Perception check is a quicker, more cursory scan. You're not going to actually see the guy, because you aren't looking hard enough, but if you beat his check by 10 or more you know which 5-foot-by-5-foot area he's hiding in. He still has total concealment because you still don't see him. The upside is that you haven't used up your standard action, so you can probably attack his square (or make a fairly informed guess) in the same round.Seems balanced and consistent to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kordeth, post: 4409123, member: 5036"] I don't really see the problem. The standard action is obviously a closer, more diligent search, and if you beat the Stealth check, you actually see the target. Why would that need to mention being able to target it? You now have line of sight to the target, ergo as long as you have line of effect, you can smack it. Assuming the target is hiding in a concealed square, you've now also dropped its total concealment (from being unseen) to regular concealment. The downside, of course, is that you've used your standard action. A minor action Perception check is a quicker, more cursory scan. You're not going to actually see the guy, because you aren't looking hard enough, but if you beat his check by 10 or more you know which 5-foot-by-5-foot area he's hiding in. He still has total concealment because you still don't see him. The upside is that you haven't used up your standard action, so you can probably attack his square (or make a fairly informed guess) in the same round. Seems balanced and consistent to me. [/QUOTE]

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