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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 5366516" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p>To a degree sure- but again I say it's not inline with how the company has operated in the past. It would be a major shift, and major shifts don't happen overnight for large companies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep- I don't disagree here. WoTC has recognized that in order for physical games to stay viable in the marketplace they need to change the way they present those products.</p><p></p><p>If they idn't want the product to stay viable, why invest the effort into making them more attractive?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on how you look at it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is why I said it depends on how you look at it. It's designed to be more "modular."</p><p></p><p>As a player I really only need one players book I can choose either of the players books as well. </p><p></p><p>As a DM the requirements are really Rules compendium, and monster vault. The DM's kit is nice, and filled with cool advice, but nothing in it is absolutely needed to play the game.</p><p></p><p>One copy of the rules compendium is really needed at a table. Maybe two for convenience.</p><p></p><p>If the DM already has it the player's don't really need it.</p><p></p><p>It's an easier way to get into gaming. </p><p></p><p>Ultimately maybe it would cost more to get everything, but they've vastly reduced the need to get everything up front.</p><p></p><p>They've made it easier/cheaper to get the physical products needed to start gaming. You can take it as far as you want from there, which is no different then it ever was.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but take a look at what they're doing with tokens.</p><p></p><p>Tokens allow them to include a physical representation of all the monsters in a vault at a low cost. It would be prohibitively expensive to do the same with minis.</p><p></p><p>They've lowered the cost and lowered the amount of effort needed to get a game going at a table.</p><p></p><p>they've designed boxes that pretty much allow me to open them and jump right into the game with minimal effort.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My argument continues here that you're making a jump here based on nothing but fear of what COULD happen, not based on any actual signs.</p><p></p><p>You're equating a physical product with plans to go digital. The two are only related by virtue of you saying they're related.</p><p></p><p>If anything this points towards wanting there to be more of a hook for physical products.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or signs that to keep the physical product model viable changes need to be made to make them more in line with what customers want/need, and are willing to pay for.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never been screwed. Sorry you have.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who's doing that? I'm saying nothing is actually pointing in that direction. </p><p></p><p>I could get hit by a bus while crossing the street. Since there is no bus coming, and the light is red, I figure it's a safe bet that I won't get hit by a bus while crossing the street.</p><p></p><p>When there is actually a bus coming, and I'm crossing against the light... I'll worry then!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to be inventing a trend to argue against. I feel this is as purposeful as getting a petition together to also stop them from deciding to turn D&D into only a line of low sodium pasta sauces.</p><p></p><p>There's no real evidence of them doing this, and a lot of evidence that they're NOT doing this... so why get up in arms about something not happening?</p><p></p><p>If you really want to- hey go for it... I just think it's kind of irrational.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 5366516, member: 23977"] To a degree sure- but again I say it's not inline with how the company has operated in the past. It would be a major shift, and major shifts don't happen overnight for large companies. Yep- I don't disagree here. WoTC has recognized that in order for physical games to stay viable in the marketplace they need to change the way they present those products. If they idn't want the product to stay viable, why invest the effort into making them more attractive? Depends on how you look at it. This is why I said it depends on how you look at it. It's designed to be more "modular." As a player I really only need one players book I can choose either of the players books as well. As a DM the requirements are really Rules compendium, and monster vault. The DM's kit is nice, and filled with cool advice, but nothing in it is absolutely needed to play the game. One copy of the rules compendium is really needed at a table. Maybe two for convenience. If the DM already has it the player's don't really need it. It's an easier way to get into gaming. Ultimately maybe it would cost more to get everything, but they've vastly reduced the need to get everything up front. They've made it easier/cheaper to get the physical products needed to start gaming. You can take it as far as you want from there, which is no different then it ever was. Sure, but take a look at what they're doing with tokens. Tokens allow them to include a physical representation of all the monsters in a vault at a low cost. It would be prohibitively expensive to do the same with minis. They've lowered the cost and lowered the amount of effort needed to get a game going at a table. they've designed boxes that pretty much allow me to open them and jump right into the game with minimal effort. My argument continues here that you're making a jump here based on nothing but fear of what COULD happen, not based on any actual signs. You're equating a physical product with plans to go digital. The two are only related by virtue of you saying they're related. If anything this points towards wanting there to be more of a hook for physical products. Or signs that to keep the physical product model viable changes need to be made to make them more in line with what customers want/need, and are willing to pay for. I've never been screwed. Sorry you have. Who's doing that? I'm saying nothing is actually pointing in that direction. I could get hit by a bus while crossing the street. Since there is no bus coming, and the light is red, I figure it's a safe bet that I won't get hit by a bus while crossing the street. When there is actually a bus coming, and I'm crossing against the light... I'll worry then! You seem to be inventing a trend to argue against. I feel this is as purposeful as getting a petition together to also stop them from deciding to turn D&D into only a line of low sodium pasta sauces. There's no real evidence of them doing this, and a lot of evidence that they're NOT doing this... so why get up in arms about something not happening? If you really want to- hey go for it... I just think it's kind of irrational. [/QUOTE]
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