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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3178977" data-attributes="member: 11697">Quick! Someone cast mindspider on RJ!Depends on what proto-celestials we're talking about. We really don't know of any, just speculation that the celestials might have their own elder creators to mimic the situation with the Baernaloths and the other fiends. That might suggest a proto-Guardinal race, but then on Pelion/Mithardir in Arborea we have some slim suggestions of a proto-Eladrin race. But again, nothing solid, just lots of room to toy with ideas (which I enjoy).We know that the Ancient Baatorians did fight the early Archons, and perhaps some of the early lawful Aasimon/Angels. So in any event the Baatezu are pretty late arrivals to that plane, and at least in what lower planar histories we have, Asmo and the other Lords of the 9 don't appear till after the Baatezu take over the plane and displace the ancients.It's possible that Asmo was one of those celestials, who then fell to LE, but it does make him fairly young compared to some other lower planar beings like the Obyriths or Baernaloths.Personally I'd have preferred him to be a lingering ancient baatorian who potentially sold out the rest of his race, or a fallen LN or LG being who was corrupted by contact with one of those same ancient baatorians.Perhaps a younger sibling to the Maeldur et Kavurik? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 3178977, member: 11697"] [b]Quick! Someone cast mindspider on RJ![/b] Depends on what proto-celestials we're talking about. We really don't know of any, just speculation that the celestials might have their own elder creators to mimic the situation with the Baernaloths and the other fiends. That might suggest a proto-Guardinal race, but then on Pelion/Mithardir in Arborea we have some slim suggestions of a proto-Eladrin race. But again, nothing solid, just lots of room to toy with ideas (which I enjoy). We know that the Ancient Baatorians did fight the early Archons, and perhaps some of the early lawful Aasimon/Angels. So in any event the Baatezu are pretty late arrivals to that plane, and at least in what lower planar histories we have, Asmo and the other Lords of the 9 don't appear till after the Baatezu take over the plane and displace the ancients. It's possible that Asmo was one of those celestials, who then fell to LE, but it does make him fairly young compared to some other lower planar beings like the Obyriths or Baernaloths. Personally I'd have preferred him to be a lingering ancient baatorian who potentially sold out the rest of his race, or a fallen LN or LG being who was corrupted by contact with one of those same ancient baatorians. Perhaps a younger sibling to the Maeldur et Kavurik? ;) [/QUOTE]

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