Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
November's SAGE ADVICE Is Here!
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="garnuk" data-source="post: 7686629" data-attributes="member: 6680011"><p>I wasn't stating my view, I was reporting things I've seen. So, its not surprising that some people might find some are valid issues, and others are meaningless, and not valid issues, and some might even be contradictory.</p><p></p><p>However, the issue with "shroedinger's empty hand" as you put it, is not the case of somebody using the "unarmed attack" as a broken attack, but rather using the "unarmed attack" as a weapon requirement for some other feature. For example, taking the +1 AC from both Duelist style (only one weapon in your hand), and the +1 AC from Duel Wielding Feat (Your empty hand is really a non-light weapon), getting a +2 AC when you should only be getting a +1. Filling the rules with exceptions of when a weapon counts as being a weapon in your hand and when it doesn't, would IMO be more confusing than just saying that when you make an attack which doesn't use arms, i.e. an Unarmed attack, it isn't a weapon.</p><p></p><p>The real question is why they didn't want to replace all instance of "melee weapon attack" with "melee non-spell attack", instead of saying that an unarmed attack is not a weapon, but can be used in place of a "melee weapon attack".</p><p></p><p>And Just as a reminder for others, the official errata does not say that an "unarmed attack IS a melee weapon attack", it says that "When you make an melee weapon attack, you can instead choose to make an unarmed attack in its place." (Or something similar)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="garnuk, post: 7686629, member: 6680011"] I wasn't stating my view, I was reporting things I've seen. So, its not surprising that some people might find some are valid issues, and others are meaningless, and not valid issues, and some might even be contradictory. However, the issue with "shroedinger's empty hand" as you put it, is not the case of somebody using the "unarmed attack" as a broken attack, but rather using the "unarmed attack" as a weapon requirement for some other feature. For example, taking the +1 AC from both Duelist style (only one weapon in your hand), and the +1 AC from Duel Wielding Feat (Your empty hand is really a non-light weapon), getting a +2 AC when you should only be getting a +1. Filling the rules with exceptions of when a weapon counts as being a weapon in your hand and when it doesn't, would IMO be more confusing than just saying that when you make an attack which doesn't use arms, i.e. an Unarmed attack, it isn't a weapon. The real question is why they didn't want to replace all instance of "melee weapon attack" with "melee non-spell attack", instead of saying that an unarmed attack is not a weapon, but can be used in place of a "melee weapon attack". And Just as a reminder for others, the official errata does not say that an "unarmed attack IS a melee weapon attack", it says that "When you make an melee weapon attack, you can instead choose to make an unarmed attack in its place." (Or something similar) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
November's SAGE ADVICE Is Here!
Top