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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnLynch" data-source="post: 7686983" data-attributes="member: 6749563">Seriously. It's a good example. But how would you adjudicate this scenario:Bob: I swoop in. I've got my ring of invisibility on and my ring of silence.DM: Alright. The guard doesn't see you. He goes back to reading his magazine.Bob: I watch him for an hourDM: He just sits around. He dozes for a bit. Reads his magazine some more.Bob: So there's no indication he knows I'm here.DM: No. Your stealth check passed his Passive Perception.Bob: Great. What's he doing now?DM: He's gone back to reading his magazine.Bob: Excellent. I want to throw my invisible and silenced dagger at him.[AT THIS STAGE THE GAME SWITCHES FROM NARRATIVE MODE TO COMBAT MODE]DM Roll initiative. He's surprised.Bob: Damn... a 9.DM: 10! He wins!What happens next? The act of throwing this dagger will not cause it to become visible or audible.That's peachy and all. But those aren't the rules I asked for. I saw those rules (I even mentioned them in the paragraph you quoted). Can you please direct me to where the rules in the PHB say "The ONLY way combat can be initiatied is when someone declares a hostile action". As I mentioned I can't find them.Bob says "I want to shoot my bow" at the NPC. Bob then wins initiative, does he get to change his mind and decide not to shoot the bow? Bob says "I want to shoot my bow" at the NPC. Bob then loses initiative and acts dead last. Does Bob get to change his mind and decide not to shoot the bow?Let's stick with 5th edition rather than earlier editions. If earlier editions did say this (I honestly can't be bothered looking through my 4th ed book, nor do I want to go looking through my Pathfinder Core Rulebook which may, or may not, be different to the 3.5e PHB text) that would explain why you're assuming 5th edition also says it. But it's completely immaterial to the discussion at hand as we're discussing 5th edition and not earlier editions.No-one is saying it is. You've said this a couple of times now and I've tried to correct you on this point.As I've said to you in an earlier post, this is not how my game operates. You can ask me how my game operates if you want to, but I'd appreciate it if you stop telling me how my games operate given you've never been at my table.</blockquote>

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