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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7687721" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Yes, it is.The rules for when surprised creatures act is contained clearly in the rulebook. In the combat section.If you're surprised, you cant act on your first turn of the combat sequence. Thats the rule. It doesnt say your opponent can make 1, 2, or a million free attacks against you, that they automatically win inititiative or anything else of the sort.Youre the one thats making that up out of thin air, and contrary to the actual rule.Yes, it does. Youve created a house rule that grants hidden creatures a whole free round of combat outside of the combat sequence.Thats clearly creates something. In fact, it creates a 'round 0' that occurs outside of initiative order, and prior to any combat.  Yeah, youre doing it wrong.But as a player that frequently plays assasins, I can see why you have such a vested intrest in granting assasins a whole free round of combat, an infinite initiative score based on stealth checks, and several repeated opportunities to get an assasinate attempt off before anything can react.Yes, you do know its going to happen, barring some extreme outliers (as discussed above).When your girlfriend pulls out a poisoned dagger, right in front of you and attempts to stab you in the face, you clearly get a chance to react before getting shivved in the neck. Youre not forced to stand there like a grinning idiot. In fact if youre Alert (feat), have lightning reflexes (a high Dex) or are just really lucky (roll well) you might even be able to run the heck away, disarm her or punch her in the face before she stabs you.  Surprise. Combat chapter. PHB. When someone declares a hostile action, the game switches to the turn by turn combat sequence. Attacks (and movement) happens in initiative order within that sequence (as an abstraction).A surprised creature (one that is unaware of every single threat around him) cannot take actions on their first turn in combat (although they still roll initiative as normal). If you are aware of even just a single threat, you are not surprised and can take actions normally on your first turn.So you houserule an infinite initiative score on turn 1 for any creature that screams I ATTACK! and are hidden/ disguised. If its not a house rule, can you point me to that rule please?</blockquote>

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