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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7687894" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Show me where it says fighters dont get the spellcasting class feature, or that natural 20's in combat dont automatically kill what they hit.Attacks are resolved in initiative order, during your turn in combat. Its right there in the combat section of the rule book.I reject your argument that becuase it doesnt expressly say that you cant make attacks outside of the combat sequence means you can. It doesnt expressly say that rolling a '7' on a D20 doesnt grant you 50 immediate points of XP either. When I look at what does give you XP, there are very clear rules on how to award it. I suppose I can award XP for anything (a player that makes me a tasty coffee for example) seeing as it doesnt say I cant.  Im not arguing that you cant as DM rule however you want to. I am saying that the rules are pretty clear that attacks (even ones from hidden enemies that also surprise you) are clearly intended to occur within the combat/ initiative/ turn based sequence.There might be some exreme outlier that a DM could rule sits outside of the rules. But thats what the DM is for.In 3E you did. Rogues got a bonus to initiative v traps from memory. 5E is less clear. It looks like traps dont get initiative and thus dont count. Seeing as they are not creatures, and arent using the rules for combat, they also cant surprise you, (meaning Monks can always deflect crossbow traps, and Mages can always use sheild against them).Those class features are probably balanced around that fact.</blockquote>

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