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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Valorian" data-source="post: 26706" data-attributes="member: 1284">Quite correct, the weapons I am refering to were actually called the estoc/tuck (perhaps I over simplified matters...the section I quoted from an SCA source, went on to call them ancestors of the rapier), but if I had to do a 3e similarity chart for most likely weapon to represent them in the game, I'd make them rapiers.I wasn't necessarily trying to give a history lesson on sword, but instead to illustrate that just making armor DR instead of AC, would require more than just a simple change.  Unless you assume that one normally cannot get past heavy armor unless one "crits" at which point the weapons with high crit ranges (like the rapier make some sense), but then you have to explain why the scimitar works well against heavy armor <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Some web sites with pertinent information for later perusal:The ancestor of the rapier:<a href="http://www.cbc2.org/faculty/dabbott/duMarozzo.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cbc2.org/faculty/dabbott/duMarozzo.htm</a>Cool sight about Midievil Martial Arts:<a href="http://www.aemma.org/knowledgeBase_H.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aemma.org/knowledgeBase_H.htm</a>Oh and Forlorn, your quite correct that the heavy piercing weapons, warhammers, lucern hammers, picks, are the best bet against heavy armor...unless substancial changes were made in the system as it stands, they would be at best no better than weapons that wouuld actually be horrible against heavy armor.The problem is this is a fantasy game!  I don't really want to have all the PC have to carry a pick or warhammer because its a better representation of the reality of fighting against an armored opponent, when the they really want to carry a sword for roleplaying reasons</blockquote>

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