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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Daniel" data-source="post: 8220476" data-attributes="member: 694">The AD&amp;D previews in Holmes Basic were added after the fact by Gary for marketing purposes. This is a fairly well-known fact. OD&amp;D + the Supplements + some scattered Strategic Review and The Dragon material begat AD&amp;D. (And as we know from interviews with Tim Kask, the creation of AD&amp;D was pretty much him and Gary cutting up and reorganizing/recompiling/rewriting what was there. I don't think Holmes Basic had much to do with that. Which makes sense, given that Dr. Holmes wrote the Basic Set on his own, and it and the first AD&amp;D hardcover both came out in 1977.)There is a clear through-line, meanwhile, from OD&amp;D to Holmes to B/X to BECMI to Classic. There is a reason that B/X clerics are still getting both 3rd and 4th level spells at the same experience level (just like in OD&amp;D), or why BECMI straight up calls itself &quot;the original DUNGEONS &amp; DRAGONS game!&quot; in its own text. 1974 White Box &gt; 1977 Blue Box &gt; 1981 Pink Box &gt; 1983 Red Box &gt; 1991 Black Box is the D&amp;D lineage.0e (White Box + Supplements) &gt; 1e &gt; 2e &gt; 3e &gt; 4e &gt; 5e is the Advanced D&amp;D lineage.Magic-users in Greyhawk and 1e got 11d4 from hit dice. Illusionists got 10d4, and in 2nd edition so did all wizards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Daniel, post: 8220476, member: 694"] The AD&D previews in Holmes Basic were added after the fact by Gary for marketing purposes. This is a fairly well-known fact. OD&D + the Supplements + some scattered Strategic Review and The Dragon material begat AD&D. (And as we know from interviews with Tim Kask, the creation of AD&D was pretty much him and Gary cutting up and reorganizing/recompiling/rewriting what was there. I don't think Holmes Basic had much to do with that. Which makes sense, given that Dr. Holmes wrote the Basic Set on his own, and it and the first AD&D hardcover both came out in 1977.) There is a clear through-line, meanwhile, from OD&D to Holmes to B/X to BECMI to Classic. There is a reason that B/X clerics are still getting both 3rd and 4th level spells at the same experience level (just like in OD&D), or why BECMI straight up calls itself "the original DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game!" in its own text. 1974 White Box > 1977 Blue Box > 1981 Pink Box > 1983 Red Box > 1991 Black Box is the D&D lineage. 0e (White Box + Supplements) > 1e > 2e > 3e > 4e > 5e is the [I]Advanced[/I] D&D lineage. Magic-users in Greyhawk and 1e got 11d4 from hit dice. Illusionists got 10d4, and in 2nd edition so did all wizards. [/QUOTE]

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