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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8487959" data-attributes="member: 7023840">Okay, let's play the overbearing pedant game that you love. Instead of stepping away from the keyboard, I'll type slowly so you can understand. Good? Are we done with the causal insults now?1. The original post in this was by Ralif Redhammer (#173). Discussing, for the most part, why people either were unfamiliar with TSR or somewhat nostalgic ("remember TSR fondly").2. The response by 5atbu complained that Ralif "forgot" those people who "remember clearly what a mismanaged sh**show TSR was originally ..."3. My response to 5atbu was broken out as follows-a. This is revisionist, because at the time the collapse of TSR was shocking. I mean, that's literally how I started it.b. Moreover, TSR was pumping out products throughout its history, and even in 1997 when it collapsed.c. So the idea that there's this big group of people that disliked TSR because of its mismanagement are usually conflating their memories of the fallout with what was going on before.d. Moreover, the current success claimed (under WoTC ... which is really Hasbro ... in general, but especially regarding 5e) owes a great debt to mining the IP that was created by TSR.e. Therefore, it is nearly impossible to disentangle the actual products, and when people either fondly remember "TSR" or denigrate "TSR," those are statements about the products, which were created by amazing people. Which goes back to the original post (that would be the one by Ralif) explaining why this is whole nuTSR BS is so obnoxious to those of us who do have fond memories of what TSR made.But hey- great points you raised there. So glad you participated.</blockquote>

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