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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3688570" data-attributes="member: 1465">I was reading the old DotF yesterday and there's an example of a PC party that keeps going back to a troll cave. I am not sure I remember the levels exactly, but it's something like this:When the party is 3rd level, the troll is CR 8.When the party is 8th level, the troll is CR 11.When the party is 11th level, the troll is CR 12.(CR increase is obtained by adding barbarian levels to the troll)Between the encounters, the party has gained first 25000xp and then 27000xp per PC.The base troll (i.e. without class levels) is CR 5, has 6 HD, and LA +5. Therefore it always has ECL = 6 + 5 + class levels.At CR 8, it has 3 class levels, hence ECL is 14.Between the encounters, the troll has gained first 45000xp and then 17000xp.Counting xp doesn't seem a particularly useful of thumb...&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Furthermore, it's not so meaningful to use the PC xp calculations (using ECL) for a monster.We could try to get a rule of thumb based on levels from the example above, and we can see that while the party increased by 5, the troll increased by 3, and while it increased by 3, the troll increased by 1. But how to proceed?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3688570, member: 1465"] I was reading the old DotF yesterday and there's an example of a PC party that keeps going back to a troll cave. I am not sure I remember the levels exactly, but it's something like this: When the party is 3rd level, the troll is CR 8. When the party is 8th level, the troll is CR 11. When the party is 11th level, the troll is CR 12. (CR increase is obtained by adding barbarian levels to the troll) Between the encounters, the party has gained first 25000xp and then 27000xp per PC. The base troll (i.e. without class levels) is CR 5, has 6 HD, and LA +5. Therefore it always has ECL = 6 + 5 + class levels. At CR 8, it has 3 class levels, hence ECL is 14. Between the encounters, the troll has gained first 45000xp and then 17000xp. Counting xp doesn't seem a particularly useful of thumb... :p Furthermore, it's not so meaningful to use the PC xp calculations (using ECL) for a monster. We could try to get a rule of thumb based on levels from the example above, and we can see that while the party increased by 5, the troll increased by 3, and while it increased by 3, the troll increased by 1. But how to proceed? [/QUOTE]

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