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<blockquote data-quote="Spyritwind" data-source="post: 44627" data-attributes="member: 1912">It's an interesting subject.&nbsp; I admitt I need to take a closer look at the NPC classes, but I do like the idea and implementation of them.I've never like the idea of the whole world being 1st level by default though.&nbsp; No one would be able to do very much of anything and nothing well.&nbsp; People are capable of learning a lot and gaining expertise in many things.&nbsp; Experience in life needn't be learning how to survive combat situations.&nbsp; There in lye's the problem.DnD is a level based system with the Hero's being the default characters that the game is based on.&nbsp; There are no skills with out levels and no levels with out more hit points and BAB.I like the idea of having a commoner that's capable of being really good at his job, but that doesn't mean he, or she can smack down a handfull of orcs.Maybe commoner levels in some cases should have a worse BAB advancement than wizards and lower the hit points to one hit point per level after first level.&nbsp; That way you can have a talented normal without them coming out like a butt stomper.On the other side of the coin I don't mind allowing &quot;commoners&quot; regular class levels.&nbsp; The average person, commoner, or not is 2nd level and 3rd isn't rare.&nbsp; This can be deemed as munchkin, or hi end to some, but it's not really.&nbsp; It means the players have to be at least 5th level before they start to pull away from the crowd and that makes the game, or characters less powerfull.If the town gaurd is Barney Fife then he's 1st level.&nbsp; If he's adiquite he's 2nd.&nbsp; If he's a verteran then he's 3rd.&nbsp; If he's a hardened verteran then he's 4th.&nbsp; 5th, or more is exceptional and doesn't happen often, but it does exist.A handfull of gaurds from a town that has disciplined, well trained, savy men that are well equiped are very different than a handfull of bafoons and the next town over.&nbsp; It just depends.&nbsp; It keeps the players a little more honest and on their toes.&nbsp; They have to think a little more and swing a little less.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spyritwind, post: 44627, member: 1912"] It's an interesting subject. I admitt I need to take a closer look at the NPC classes, but I do like the idea and implementation of them. I've never like the idea of the whole world being 1st level by default though. No one would be able to do very much of anything and nothing well. People are capable of learning a lot and gaining expertise in many things. Experience in life needn't be learning how to survive combat situations. There in lye's the problem. DnD is a level based system with the Hero's being the default characters that the game is based on. There are no skills with out levels and no levels with out more hit points and BAB. I like the idea of having a commoner that's capable of being really good at his job, but that doesn't mean he, or she can smack down a handfull of orcs. Maybe commoner levels in some cases should have a worse BAB advancement than wizards and lower the hit points to one hit point per level after first level. That way you can have a talented normal without them coming out like a butt stomper. On the other side of the coin I don't mind allowing "commoners" regular class levels. The average person, commoner, or not is 2nd level and 3rd isn't rare. This can be deemed as munchkin, or hi end to some, but it's not really. It means the players have to be at least 5th level before they start to pull away from the crowd and that makes the game, or characters less powerfull. If the town gaurd is Barney Fife then he's 1st level. If he's adiquite he's 2nd. If he's a verteran then he's 3rd. If he's a hardened verteran then he's 4th. 5th, or more is exceptional and doesn't happen often, but it does exist. A handfull of gaurds from a town that has disciplined, well trained, savy men that are well equiped are very different than a handfull of bafoons and the next town over. It just depends. It keeps the players a little more honest and on their toes. They have to think a little more and swing a little less. [/QUOTE]

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