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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 9543062" data-attributes="member: 7025508">Right. I strongly prefer #1, but #2 is acceptable too. But #3 would not be a valid action declaration to me, it produces way too incomplete fiction and doesn't actually contain sufficient information to adjudicate the DC for the roll. At minimum the player needs to provide a) what they want from the NPC, and b) why the NPC should agree. Then I can decide DC based on how willing the NPC is to do it and how compelling the reason is for them. Also, this way roleplaing the social situation a bit, the PCs discussing with the NPCs feeds to the resolution of potential persuasion, as that discussion is an opportunity for the players to learn about what sort of person the NPC is and what sort of arguments might be convincing to them. Like if you're talking to an orc warlord that cares about honour and glory then the DC to persuade them to help you will be higher if you appeal to their greed than if you appeal to their honour.</blockquote>