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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 9562400" data-attributes="member: 7031982">As long as the player wants to do it that way, yes.&nbsp; This is the point I've been trying to make, not just in this thread but for years:If a player likes having the roleplaying scaffolding and wants to play a game that provides that scaffolding, great!&nbsp; Lots of people are saying this and I agree.&nbsp; It's not what I want, but we all have our own preferences.But when the argument becomes that some players will made &quot;bad&quot; decisions, as defined not by the player but by others at the table, and so the answer is to keep them in line with rules...that I think is pointless.&nbsp; (And especially when the argument is that systems that do NOT define such rules...such as 5e...should be interpreted to do so.)&nbsp; Either just be at peace with the way other people play their own characters, or find new people to play with.In a way this reminds me of the debate about removing racial ability modifiers...for the most part nobody was worried about the impact on their own characters, they were worried about how other people might choose to play.&nbsp; &quot;Oh no!&nbsp; What if somebody plays an orc with 17 charisma at 1st level instead of waiting until 4th level? It will ruin my immersion!&nbsp; Not that any of my friends would do that, but it might happen, somewhere!&quot;I don't get it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 9562400, member: 7031982"] As long as the player wants to do it that way, yes. This is the point I've been trying to make, not just in this thread but for years: If a player likes having the roleplaying scaffolding and wants to play a game that provides that scaffolding, great! Lots of people are saying this and I agree. It's not what [I]I[/I] want, but we all have our own preferences. But when the argument becomes that some players will made "bad" decisions, as defined not by the player but by others at the table, and so the answer is to keep them in line with rules...that I think is pointless. (And especially when the argument is that systems that do NOT define such rules...such as 5e...should be interpreted to do so.) Either just be at peace with the way other people play their own characters, or find new people to play with. In a way this reminds me of the debate about removing racial ability modifiers...for the most part nobody was worried about the impact on their own characters, they were worried about how other people might choose to play. "Oh no! What if somebody plays an orc with 17 charisma at 1st level instead of waiting until 4th level? It will ruin my immersion! Not that any of my friends would do that, but it might happen, somewhere!" I don't get it. [/QUOTE]

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