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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 464355" data-attributes="member: 4937">CobaltGrC: Well, there are probably several ways to handle it depending on the desires of your campaign.&nbsp; These are my answers, YMMV.&quot;If the DMG lists NPC classes going up to 20th level, how would a NPC achieve that level?&quot;At some point, the NPC has to face challenges similar to an adventuring class.&nbsp; At high levels the NPC classes are about half as powerful as PC classes (or about 1/4 as potent for the commoners) so it isn't necessarily efficient, but it could happen.&nbsp;&quot;Do you have any examples of how it might be possible?&quot;You make the assumption that the training necessary for a PC class never becomes available to the NPC, or else that the NPC disdains such training.&nbsp; For instance, an aristocrat in a court filled with intrige might well get along as an aristocrat and/or expert and achieve quiet high level, even though Bard or Rogue would probably be better from a game play perspective.&nbsp; But if the aristocrat never had training in the skuldugery of a rogue or disdained such training, he'd never learn to sneak attack or be evasive.&nbsp;&quot;Does any commoner ever make it that high?&quot;Very very rarely.&nbsp; For myself, it would only occur in the rare case of a commoner who did not have any formal training available, who was in a dangerous environment, but who was not born and raised in the wilderness, and who did alot of manual labor, but who never (or almost never) had to participate in combat.&nbsp; I'd pick Robinson Crusoe as my example of a high level commoner, ignoring the possibility that he began with several levels of some other class.&nbsp; A highly experienced but poorly educated slave might be another example.In normal circumstances, a commoner that started gaining alot of experience would take levels in, at the least, warrior or expert depending on the challenges they were facing.&quot;If we are keeping commoners pretty low, what's the point of having them have thier class go up that high?&quot;Just to be consistant.&nbsp;&quot;What would a 15th level commoner be like?&quot;Robinson Crusoe.&nbsp; A very experienced and elderly slave.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 464355, member: 4937"] CobaltGrC: Well, there are probably several ways to handle it depending on the desires of your campaign. These are my answers, YMMV. "If the DMG lists NPC classes going up to 20th level, how would a NPC achieve that level?" At some point, the NPC has to face challenges similar to an adventuring class. At high levels the NPC classes are about half as powerful as PC classes (or about 1/4 as potent for the commoners) so it isn't necessarily efficient, but it could happen. "Do you have any examples of how it might be possible?" You make the assumption that the training necessary for a PC class never becomes available to the NPC, or else that the NPC disdains such training. For instance, an aristocrat in a court filled with intrige might well get along as an aristocrat and/or expert and achieve quiet high level, even though Bard or Rogue would probably be better from a game play perspective. But if the aristocrat never had training in the skuldugery of a rogue or disdained such training, he'd never learn to sneak attack or be evasive. "Does any commoner ever make it that high?" Very very rarely. For myself, it would only occur in the rare case of a commoner who did not have any formal training available, who was in a dangerous environment, but who was not born and raised in the wilderness, and who did alot of manual labor, but who never (or almost never) had to participate in combat. I'd pick Robinson Crusoe as my example of a high level commoner, ignoring the possibility that he began with several levels of some other class. A highly experienced but poorly educated slave might be another example. In normal circumstances, a commoner that started gaining alot of experience would take levels in, at the least, warrior or expert depending on the challenges they were facing. "If we are keeping commoners pretty low, what's the point of having them have thier class go up that high?" Just to be consistant. "What would a 15th level commoner be like?" Robinson Crusoe. A very experienced and elderly slave. [/QUOTE]

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