Nuances of effigies

[TYPO5478]

The "Effigy" template is described in Complete Arcane. The template description refers to special attacks of the base creature thus:

Special Attacks: An effigy loses all supernatural special attacks, spell-like abilities, and extraordinary special attacks for which a target’s saving throw is based on the effigy’s Constitution (since the creature no longer has a Con score). It retains any extraordinary special attacks that do not allow a saving throw (such as rake, rend, or constrict) or any for which the target’s saving throw is based on the creature’s Strength (such as trample) or Dexterity (such as a howler’s quills).

The cloaker has an extraordinary special attack (called Moan) which allows a Charisma-based save. Would a cloaker effigy retain this attack or lose it?

A more general question: do effigies lose special attacks which allow saves not based on either Str, Dex or Con?

 

[Hypersmurf]

A more general question: do effigies lose special attacks which allow saves not based on either Str, Dex or Con?

Does an Effigy lose its Cha score?

The reason given for losing the Con-based attack is "because the creature no longer has a Con score".

If the Effigy no longer has a Cha score, I'd rule that it loses it by the same logic. If it retains its Cha, I'd rule it retains the attack, again by the same logic.

-Hyp.

 

[TYPO5478]

Well, it doesn't lose it's Cha score; it's just reduced to 1.

Keeping the attack may be a moot point if the save DCs have an automatic -5 penalty. On the other hand, the fact that it has a score means that the score could be augmented...