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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Proxxy55" data-source="post: 6978886" data-attributes="member: 6864134">You're overreaching with class identity.  The number of skills known is not part of any class's core niche (except the bard's Jack of All Trades).  If you wanted to distill Rogue down into it's most base components, you would wind up with Expertise, and the ability to unlock doors with Thieves' Tools.  And, surprise, that's what is unique about them.  Not many other classes can get Thieves' Tools, and none can get it as easily, or get expertise with them.  Also, doesn't the fighter deserve something?  Like I said, they have NO utility built into their class, and they've always kinda been at the bottom of the barrel in DnD.  I also don't understand why you think there is no "lore/narrative/fluff justification" for the fighter archetypes getting more skills.  They are more specialized archetypes that get skills that make sense for them.  Does it not follow that an Arcane Archer should know something about Arcana?  Or that a Cavalier should know how to handle animals, or conduct himself well?</blockquote>