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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beholder Bob" data-source="post: 1640374" data-attributes="member: 12866">Racial comparisonMy current system:Races should come to 4.5 or less+1    +1 physical or mental statistic-½    -1 mental statistic-1    -1 physical statistic+/-1    +/- 10’ move, Base MV: M & L 30’, S 20’+1/4    skills available as class skills do to race (each)+1/4    each +1 to a skill roll+1/2    low light vision+1    dark vision 30’+3/2    dark vision 60’+1/4    reduce vision or hearing penalty for range in ½+1/4    extra language known-1/2    no race class+1/4*    2 race classes+1/2    Any race class (per humans)+3/2    4+HD SR+1/4    4 SR +1 up to 10 (so SR 10+HD = +3)+1/2    10 SR +1 up to 15 (so SR 15+HD = 5½)+1    10’ clumsy flight +1/2    every +10’ or 1 step up in flight quality+1    spell like ability, 1st LV, 1/day OR know 2 0th LV, 2+(INT mod)/day+1/2    each additional use+1/4    natural attack, d4 or less+1*    treat one size larger for grapple, trip, and bull-rush.+1    scent+1/4    able to take one or more MM feats+1    plant form, 1/day, only 1 form possible+1/4    each additional form available.+1/2    creature type provides immunity (giant, fey)+3/2    as above but excellent immunity (undead)+3/4*    +4 SP at 1st +1 SP each level > 1st+2*    extra feat at 1st, choice from list of 10+ feats+1/2    +2 save Vs (poison & disease), (death effects), (compulsion), etc+1/4    +2 save Vs (Language)+0    Last extra day w/out food prior penalty+0    Hold breath as if CON = CON+2+1    use of any 1 martial weapon (exotic if w all martial)+1*    +1 HP at 1st LV, Minimum of 2 HP/LV+3/4    Heal 50% more HP/day of rest+3/4    +1 saves Vs (magic) or (non-magic)-1/4    Run is x3 unless on all fours (free action to get on all fours, but move action to rise)-1/2    Unable to run unless on all fours (as above)*May only be taken onceModifier for stat adjustment: modifiers for physical or mental (STR,DEX,CON or INT, WIS, CHA), including all bonus or minus, but not both at once, that equal or exceed 3 points, are further adjusted by 50% in the worst direction.  Example below+1 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CONbonus 1+2 = 3, so 2+1x1.5 = 3.5penalty –2 = -2total is 3.5-2 = 1.5 cost+3 INT, -1 WIS, -2 CHAbonus 3 so 2+1x1.5 = 3.5penalty –1 –2 = -3, so –2 -1x 0.5 = -2.5Combine both modifiers onto same creaturetotal 3.5 – (2.5, cut in ½, phy vs mental)  = 2.25 costWhy: high bonuses are hard to offset and allow abuse in a specialty class or ability focus.HUMANS (2.75)+1.5 (feat) +0.75 (skill) +0.5 (fav class)DWARVES (7.25)+1 (Stats) –0.5 (move) +1.5 (vision) +0.5 (stone cunning)+1 (ac vs giant) +0.5 (weapon familiar) +1 (stability)+1.5 (saves) +0 (spec foes) +0.75 (skills)(move penalty only ½ due to lack of penalty in armor)ELVES (4.75)+0 (Stats) +0.25 (imm sleep) +0.5 (vision) +1.5 (skills) +1 (secret door) +1 (weap familiar)+ 0.5 (+2 saves)GNOMES (5.5)+0 (Stats) +0 (small/move), +0.5 (vision)+0.5 (weap familiar) +0.5 (saves)+1 (illusion dc) +0 (vs spec foes) +1 (ac vs giant)+1 (skills) + 1 (spell like ability)HALF-ELVES (3.5)+0.25 (imm sleep) + 0.5 (+2 vs enchant) + 0.5 (vision)+1.75 (skills) + 0 (elf blood) +0.5 (fav class)HALF-ORCS (1.5)+0 (+2 str-2 int & cha) +1.5 (vision) +0 (orc blood)HALFLINGS (3.5)+0 (+2/-2 dex/str) +0 (size/speed) +2 (skills)+1 (save) + 0.5 (thrown/sling)System result comparison16__2.75__HUMANS26__7.25__DWARVES19__4.75__ELVES30__5.50__GNOMES10__3.50__HALF-ELVES02__1.50__HALF-ORCS27__3.50__HALFLINGSHmmm.  Interesting.  Of note: I use 3.5, in which the 1/2 elf has been 'beefed up'.B<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />B</blockquote>

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