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Message: <blockquote data-quote="devoblue" data-source="post: 1640661" data-attributes="member: 11906">I built my weighting system based on the assumption that the PHB races are generally balanced, and then tuned the values as much as possible to produce those results. A LA+0 race aims for 4 total points, an LA+1 aims for 7.5 points, or more specifically 0.5 + ECL * 3.5 points.I ignore rules about maxium number of ability adjustments or skill bonuses, these are just guidelines and this system attempts to replace them.These are the values I use:Size: S=+0.5, M=0, L=-1.5Speed: 20=-1.0, 30=0, 40=+1.0Str: -2=-1.0, 0=0, +2=+1.5, +4=+5.0, +6=+7.5, +8=+10.5, +10=+13.5Dex: -2=-1.5, 0=0, +2=+1.5Con: -2=-2.0, 0=0, +2=+1.5, +4=+4.0Int: -4=-2.0, -2=-1.0, 0=0, +2=+1.5Wis: -4=-2.0, -2=-1.0, 0=0, +2=+1.5Cha: -4=-1.5, -2=-0.5, 0=0, +2=1.5Skills, useful: 0.25 per pointSkills, other: 0.125 per pointNatural AC: 0=0, +1=+0.25, +2=+0.5, +3=+0.75, +4=+1.0, +5=+1.5, +6=+2.0, +7=+3.0, +8=+4.0, +9=+5.0Hit Dice: 0=0, 1d8=+2.5, 2d8=+3.5, 3d8=+4.75, 4d8=+6.0, 5d8=+7.5Low Light Vision: +1.0, Enhanced: +1.5Darkvision: 60=+1.5, 90=+2.0, 120=+3.0Light Sensitivity: -1.0Immune to sleep: +0.75Secret door sense: +0.5Stonecunning: +0.5Specific combat bonus: +0.5Racial Weapons: *depends on how good the weapons are.Extra Feat: +1.5Extra Skills (human): +2.0Favored Class Any: +1.0Save Bonus: +0.5Specific Save Bonus: +0.25This produces the following results:Human: 4.0Half-elf: 4.0Elf (high): 4.0Dwarf (hill): 4.0 *ignoring movement, stability, and a real good racial weaponHalfling (lightfoot): 4.0Gnome: 4.0 *Gave +0.5 for cantrips and +0.25 for speak with animals.Half-orc: 2.5Orc: 3.0Goblin: 4.0Hobgoblin: 5.5Aasimar: 7.5Tiefling: 6.75Conclusions:The dwarf is way over poweredThe half-elf is not underpowered, it just doesnt have good combinationsThe half-orc is underpowered but has the ability to specialize as a barabarian, meaning he can play a useful role. It would be nice if the half-orc was given some interesting bonuses that don't help him be a barbarian, but do help him create more interesting characters. IMC I give the orc and half-orc an alertness feat, and give the half-orc fav class any, bringing them both up to 4.0 points.The goblin is balanced, but +4 skill points in ride is not very inspiring. IMC I swap out the ride, add in a +2 jump, climb and listen, and throw in a -2 fear save.The hobgoblin is really lame for a LA+1. IMC I take away the con bonus to bring him down to 4.0 points.The tiefling is underpowered compared to the aasimar. The -0.5 cha and bluff as a skill are the difference. IMC I change bluff to +4 and give 90 darkvision.</blockquote>

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