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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mephistopheles" data-source="post: 1192970" data-attributes="member: 4460">What gaze attacks have to do with true seeing and wall of force is that it is an example of an effect that can cross a wall of force and it happens to be a visual effect, perhaps supporting the ability of true seeing to penetrate a wall of force. After doing some FAQ and spell browsing, though, I'm having some trouble resolving this question. I'll list a few points I looked at and some things I found a little ambiguous.1. From the Main FAQ:2. From the true seeing spell description:3. From the wall of force spell description:#1 establishes that wall of force is a solid barrier, equivalent to a mundane wall that would block line of sight in addition to blocking line of effect, although a wall of force only blocks line of effect.#2 establishes that true seeing cannot penetrate solid objects. I think this is a little ambiguous where wall of force is concerned as it is not solid as far as blocking line of sight is concerned but it is solid as far as blocking line of effect is concerned. The mention in the very next sentence that true seeing does not confer X-ray vision seems to imply that by "solid objects" it means objects that would block line of sight.#3 establishes that spells cannot pass through a wall of force. However, in the case of true seeing is the spell actually required to pass through the wall of force to function? The detection spells (detect magic, etc) are described as emanations which are able to break the rules for emanations in some cases but not others, and I'd probably argue that wall of force is a type of barrier they cannot penetrate. See invisibility is described as affecting a cone area in 3.0, but has been changed to a personal range with no area of effect in 3.5. True seeing is not described as an emanation and has no area of effect. It affects the recipient and extends to a range of 120 feet. This means it doesn't require a line of effect, although as established by #2 it does require line of sight. So is the spell actually required to pass through the wall of force or does it work solely on the caster to alter perceptions?At this point I'd probably conclude that in 3.0, of the spells discussed only true seeing would work across a wall of force, and in 3.5 see invisibility and true seeing would work across a wall of force. Any official rulings or alternative interpretations with justification out there?</blockquote>

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