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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5880112" data-attributes="member: 87792">Out of curiosity, who goes &quot;OA fishing&quot;?&nbsp; The nearest I've seen are provoke-tactics which are the equivalent of a gambit in chess.&nbsp; You want to be OA'd because you think it's bad for the monster.&nbsp; But that (a) is relying on the Defender's punishment and (b) is something the monster has complete control over.&nbsp; I don't see the ability to offer gambits that the monster need not accept to be a problem.&nbsp;Now AoO fishing is another story.&nbsp; Just ask all the spiky-chain-death-trippers of doom.&nbsp; The something out of whack there with the mechanics is that standing up from prone provokes an AoO.&nbsp; So tripping someone effectively forces them to either provoke AoOs or to fight from down on the floor.&nbsp; Here's where the break is.&nbsp;&nbsp;First there's the genuine protection aspect.&nbsp; Second there's the &quot;I want to face OAs&quot;.&nbsp; I don't want to make dancing a conga line round the enemy too easy - I want it to come with a sense of cool and a sense of achievement.&nbsp; Third there's the issue round flanking.&nbsp; I consider facing in a game using 6 second turns to be generally a mistake for bipeds as you can turn fast.&nbsp; (Unless in a pikeblock or shieldwall).&nbsp; But allow free movement and flanking becomes trivial.&nbsp; You need some sort of protection without completely eliminating flexibility.&nbsp; &nbsp;It's not just the fighter who needs to be able to hold the battle line - the fighter should simply be very comfortably be best at it.&nbsp; Of course having the wizard as unable to make an AoO wouldn't be a problem.&nbsp; But I'd rather a default as yes here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5880112, member: 87792"] Out of curiosity, who goes "OA fishing"? The nearest I've seen are provoke-tactics which are the equivalent of a gambit in chess. You want to be OA'd because you think it's bad for the monster. But that (a) is relying on the Defender's punishment and (b) is something the monster has complete control over. I don't see the ability to offer gambits that the monster need not accept to be a problem. Now AoO fishing is another story. Just ask all the spiky-chain-death-trippers of doom. The something out of whack there with the mechanics is that standing up from prone provokes an AoO. So tripping someone effectively forces them to either provoke AoOs or to fight from down on the floor. Here's where the break is. First there's the genuine protection aspect. Second there's the "I want to [I]face[/I] OAs". I don't want to make dancing a conga line round the enemy too easy - I want it to come with a sense of cool and a sense of achievement. Third there's the issue round flanking. I consider facing in a game using 6 second turns to be generally a mistake for bipeds as you can turn fast. (Unless in a pikeblock or shieldwall). But allow free movement and flanking becomes trivial. You need some sort of protection without completely eliminating flexibility. It's not just the fighter who needs to be able to hold the battle line - the fighter should simply be very comfortably be best at it. Of course having the wizard as unable to make an AoO wouldn't be a problem. But I'd rather a default as yes here. [/QUOTE]

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