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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5880388" data-attributes="member: 92511">I can totally get down with this. I am ALL FOR "complexity dials."The crux of this working, then, goes back to the DMG making clear (and the PHB for players' understanding) that the dials might, can/are allowed "by the rules of 5e", and likely will be (for any number of mechanical things) turned down to "0" or up to "11" at the DM's discretion.I just want, however they incorporate...many things, not just AoO/OA but alignment, feats, skills/how skill checks are performed, even things like Racial Abilities, Damage Reduction, et al. it to be understood that because the system of 5e "allows" for their use in this manner does not mean any DM using them in a different manner (be it turned up or toned down) is not "doing it wrong."There MUST be some verbage or even consistent reminders in every mechanics explanation, that stipulates "the DM is permitted to use these 'guidelines' as much or as little as they feel the situation warrants."The #1 thing, imho, to bring the D&D gamership (?) back together is to kill the rules lawyering! Bring the game back around to the players dealing with EACH OTHER...and that includes the DM (we's is players too, ya know! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />...not players dealing with all of the minutia of the rules and using the "rules" to stranglehold the DM and hold a session at bay cuz they feel they're somehow being slighted. D&D (of any edition) IS a social game...an interactive experience...before we ever had computers to be "interactive" with.<rolls eyes> Make it a "shared experience" again. Not Player 1 with their rule book. Player 2 with their rule book for their class. Player 3 with their rule book for some other class...oh yeah, and then the DMs there to handle the monsters that we are ENTITLED to kill...gods help you if it's not level appropriate. "How can I play a game that isn't level appropriate? My character has nothing to do against 8 goblins! The book says I only need to fight 5!"We have a couple of editions now (though all of them are open to this) where "system mastery" is the goal. That's "fun" for some people...and I don't want to take that away from them. Knowing the rules is a GOOD thing and generally helpful. But I'm saying, I want "FUN" to be the goal. If your table/group is using modules XYZ with the dials set to A, B and C, respectively, that's a perfectly viable game and not "badwrongunfun" cuz the PHB sez so...I should be allowed to do K. But that focus on "Us (or more often, "ME") vs. the DM mentality" regardless of your group, their characters, the game as a whole needs to be removed from the "rules" of the basic 5e game. Otherwise I do not believe 5e will be the Unification Edition it proposes to be...and I certainly hope will be. --Steel "options, dials, options, dials" Dragons</blockquote>

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