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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6772431" data-attributes="member: 6786252">The typical LG paladin is the Oath of Devotion cavalier.  Don't mistake the Ancient, Vengence, and Crown Oaths for the same thing.  And, yes, the Avenger can even be LE (devils, after all, fight demons, and its very easy to call them the greater evil).  That's a feature, not a bug.   There's a difference between Oathbreaker, and a fallen paladin that's not all fiendish.  The Oathreaker is similar to being a Death Knight, basically.  A fallen paladin just has abilities stripped away.  Sounds like a problem player being an issue, and not a class problem.  Honestly, you're looking at a way to argue about your interpretations of the class.  And that does NOT end well.  Players are allowed to envision their characters their own way.  If its an out of character problem, should be solved out of character.  Taking OOC issues into IC is a bad move for a DM or player.Frankly, torture is an icky situation in the first place, let alone very much not a solution to any problem.  Let alone alcohol.  I fail to see how the two are related, since it just drives drinking into hidden areas until the crazy torturer leaves.  Let alone the laws he breaks and inviting punishment from mercs or authorities.  If you absolutely insist on keeping it IC, then just put a bounty out or arrest him.   Some people seem to think that playing an evil character is a license to be all about dumb evil that does stuff because its funny to them.  Its possible you're dealing with that. This is only true for the Oath of Devotion, and maybe the Crown oath.  The stereotypical warlock is fiendish, but we have goodly Fey and "Undying Light" as Patrons, for a good aligned warlock.  Sorcerer includes Favored Souls, which is far and away NOT an arcane caster like the dragon bloodlines, but rather a divine caster.  We have assassin-monks, we have swashbuckling and warlord rogues, we have bards that get away with no use of music.  Don't mistake the umbrella class for their old archetypes - subclasses change everything.   Flat out tell him that its making the rest uncomfortable, and they want him to stop.  If its a disruptive character, then leave him behind.  That's all there is to it.  If the group doesn't want him, then don't.</blockquote>

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