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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gyor" data-source="post: 6772543" data-attributes="member: 6670153">Doing things that are more evil then the evil that you will realistically fix by doing said evil is a violation of the oath, because it stops being the greater evil.   Example of a non violation of the Oath, using torture against an agent of an organization magically turning childern into whiskey, but no more torture then needed to find out the the lair of the organization so it can be stopped.  A violation of the Oath would be burning down an orphanage killing all the childern to kill the care taker for being a drunk, you've clearly become the greater evil by a large amount in that scenerio.  Its meant to allow for greater moral flexiblity like the 4e Avanger and the greyguard, not as a way to act like a pychopath towards innocent people on the flimsiest of excuses in the name of your greater good.  Now that being said, it seems pretty clear thst there are variations of the Oaths that add, replace, or remove elements.  Evil Gods could have Avengers in 4e, in fact one of my favourite characters in the 4e novel era was a Void Genasi Avenger for Shar.  So I would reasonablely assume there is a verison of Oath of Vengence that has no reference or requirement to good at all.</blockquote>