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<blockquote data-quote="CyanideSprite" data-source="post: 6773422" data-attributes="member: 6798894"><p>Yes you can. That is what the tenets are for. All 3 Paladins can be held to a standard of conduct or else have their powers taken away. However, the Oath of Vengeance class has its stipulation to allow an otherwise GOOD character to do evil acts. Rules are good for a class that is based around a code of conduct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That isn't an issue. The whole party is looking for this special ale. His motives for it aren't really that big of an issue. It's what he's willing to do to get to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can say a puppet crafted to be a brown dog is a pink cat when laying on the ground without a puppeteer touching the strings but you can still see what it is. If someone might know something they're not interested in sharing, does that make it okay for a good character to start torturing them on the chance it could lead them to their sworn enemy? If they didn't, they would have let their qualms get in the way which is directly against their tenets. It's easier to argue he should lose his paladin status for NOT torturing her and possibly letting his sworn enemy get that much further away, which is incentive to do that.</p><p></p><p>I see what you're saying though and yeah you're right. He COULD have some internal conflict as a character about doing dubious things, it's not entirely in the class, but that is something about all 3 Paladins that isn't present in the other classes; it encourages certain behaviors and has the possibility to punish them for not adhering to them. The puppet has form regardless of the puppeteer.</p><p></p><p>I have the other trick available to DMs of just having everything he does, no matter how heinous, always end up being relevant or even having a plot twist that there is an alcohol based conspiracy going on and the Brimstone Ale is poison of Zehir sent to actually brainwash people. That would absolve him of the moral conflict if he ends up torturing someone I had planned to be innocent or does something equally disruptive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CyanideSprite, post: 6773422, member: 6798894"] Yes you can. That is what the tenets are for. All 3 Paladins can be held to a standard of conduct or else have their powers taken away. However, the Oath of Vengeance class has its stipulation to allow an otherwise GOOD character to do evil acts. Rules are good for a class that is based around a code of conduct. That isn't an issue. The whole party is looking for this special ale. His motives for it aren't really that big of an issue. It's what he's willing to do to get to it. You can say a puppet crafted to be a brown dog is a pink cat when laying on the ground without a puppeteer touching the strings but you can still see what it is. If someone might know something they're not interested in sharing, does that make it okay for a good character to start torturing them on the chance it could lead them to their sworn enemy? If they didn't, they would have let their qualms get in the way which is directly against their tenets. It's easier to argue he should lose his paladin status for NOT torturing her and possibly letting his sworn enemy get that much further away, which is incentive to do that. I see what you're saying though and yeah you're right. He COULD have some internal conflict as a character about doing dubious things, it's not entirely in the class, but that is something about all 3 Paladins that isn't present in the other classes; it encourages certain behaviors and has the possibility to punish them for not adhering to them. The puppet has form regardless of the puppeteer. I have the other trick available to DMs of just having everything he does, no matter how heinous, always end up being relevant or even having a plot twist that there is an alcohol based conspiracy going on and the Brimstone Ale is poison of Zehir sent to actually brainwash people. That would absolve him of the moral conflict if he ends up torturing someone I had planned to be innocent or does something equally disruptive. [/QUOTE]
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