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<blockquote data-quote="Steverooo" data-source="post: 2394849" data-attributes="member: 9410">More Input:Lunars/Shapechange: Now the Lunars have more the form of Shapechange gift that I was thinking of...&nbsp; One form, no limits on changes/day.&nbsp; If by &quot;single ordinary animal (selected when you receive this gift)&quot; in the &quot;Entry Gift&quot; of Shapechange (ODotF:21) you mean (for instance) &quot;a grey panther&quot;, then this is the way that I think it should work.&nbsp; On the other hand, if &quot;single ordinary animal&quot; means &quot;any feline&quot; (or ursine, or canine, or avian, or piscian, or equine, or whatever), then maybe uses/day would be required.Also, there are a lot of unanswered questions, with this gift (and with Druidic Wildshape, in general)!&nbsp; When a PC shapechanges to Animal-type, do they get the benefits of that type (see MM:305-6)?&nbsp; Druids, I assume, do (so they get Low-light vision, immunity to Hold Person and Charm Person, any special attacks and/or special qualities that the animal does, like Pounce or Scent), etc.Also, the type of creature that one can become should be limited by their hit dice...&nbsp; No becoming a Dire Cave Bear at first level! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp; Thus, I favor something like &quot;one genus&quot;.&nbsp; A PC who gets Shapechange at first level (instead of becoming a grey panther, which is too high HD for his level) can become a fluffy, pretty-kitty, or an angry alley-tom.&nbsp; At third level (IIRC), he could become a Cheetah, and so on...I'm not sure if that's what the writer intended, but I think it works better.&nbsp; It limits the power, according to the PC's level, without taking away the utility.Another question is, while the PC retains his/her own skills, do they lose racial bonuses, and/or gain those of the form changed into?&nbsp; For instance, does an Elf who changes into a first level alley-cat gain a bonus to Jump (or whatever cats get) while losing +2 to Search, Spot, &amp; Listen?&nbsp; Does an Orc changing to Ursine form lose Darkvision?(As I said, before, I could pester you with a great many questions about this gift!)What about sizes?&nbsp; Druids can't become a Cat (Size category Tiny) until 11th level, but since there aren't that many canines/felines/ursines, etc., in D&amp;D, limiting the gift in this manner would make it unusable for some time, in all likelihood...&nbsp; Probably not what you wanted...On another hand, maybe what you want is the Alternate Form (Su) ability from the MM:305, which answers most of these questions?&nbsp; If so, there still needs to be some HD restrictions, even if the form is limited to Animals, only.&nbsp; Dire Cave Bears at first level is still a no-no.Anyway, something to think about... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid&nbsp; &nbsp; :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steverooo, post: 2394849, member: 9410"] [b]More Input:[/b] Lunars/Shapechange: Now the Lunars have more the form of Shapechange gift that I was thinking of... One form, no limits on changes/day. If by "single ordinary animal (selected when you receive this gift)" in the "Entry Gift" of Shapechange (ODotF:21) you mean (for instance) "a grey panther", then this is the way that I think it should work. On the other hand, if "single ordinary animal" means "any feline" (or ursine, or canine, or avian, or piscian, or equine, or whatever), then maybe uses/day would be required. Also, there are a lot of unanswered questions, with this gift (and with Druidic Wildshape, in general)! When a PC shapechanges to [I]Animal[/I]-type, do they get the benefits of that type (see MM:305-6)? Druids, I assume, do (so they get Low-light vision, immunity to [I]Hold Person[/I] and [I]Charm Person[/I], any special attacks and/or special qualities that the animal does, like [I]Pounce[/I] or [I]Scent[/I]), etc. Also, the type of creature that one can become should be limited by their hit dice... No becoming a Dire Cave Bear at first level! :p Thus, I favor something like "one genus". A PC who gets Shapechange at first level (instead of becoming a grey panther, which is too high HD for his level) can become a fluffy, pretty-kitty, or an angry alley-tom. At third level (IIRC), he could become a Cheetah, and so on... I'm not sure if that's what the writer intended, but I think it works better. It limits the power, according to the PC's level, without taking away the utility. Another question is, while the PC retains his/her own skills, do they lose racial bonuses, and/or gain those of the form changed into? For instance, does an Elf who changes into a first level alley-cat gain a bonus to Jump (or whatever cats get) while losing +2 to Search, Spot, & Listen? Does an Orc changing to Ursine form lose Darkvision? (As I said, before, I could pester you with a great many questions about this gift!) What about sizes? Druids can't become a Cat (Size category Tiny) until 11th level, but since there aren't that many canines/felines/ursines, etc., in D&D, limiting the gift in this manner would make it unusable for some time, in all likelihood... Probably not what you wanted... On another hand, maybe what you want is the [I]Alternate Form[/I] (Su) ability from the MM:305, which answers most of these questions? If so, there still needs to be some HD restrictions, even if the form is limited to [I]Animals[/I], only. Dire Cave Bears at first level is still a no-no. Anyway, something to think about... :uhoh: [/QUOTE]

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